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To: patlin

John 6:28-29
King James Version (KJV)

28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent


26 posted on 10/19/2011 5:18:26 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
that ye believe on him whom he hath sent

He came as Himself, Spirit & Word. I guess you haven't been back around the thread block lately

Let US make man in OUR image...

Yes, there are religious denominations that believe that too. However, for Scriptural discernment it is critical to study Hebrew & understand Hebrew idioms. "Let us" and “in our image” does not refer to two beings nor does it refer to our fleshly form as YHVH Elohim is without form. You cite from Gen 1:26; however let us take a look at what YHVH says in HIS expanded historical account of the verse in Gen 2:7

7 Then ADONAI(the Hebrew text shows Yod-Hey-Vav-Hey, YHVH, the name of our Elohim), God, formed a person [Hebrew: adam, man not Adam the man's name; carnal flesh] from the dust of the ground [Hebrew: adamah] and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, so that he became a living being

A carnal Greek mindset of the reading of Gen 1:26 does lend a carnal mind to think of the fleshly form first, but in Hebrew the adjective always follows the noun so one must go to Gen 2:7 to get the adjective and that adjective is “breath of life” which is “Spirit & Word”

Because Adam(carnal flesh) ignored the “Spirit & the Word” man fell into a continual corruptable carnal state of mind. From that time YHVH has been working to get HIS children to give up the carnal & turn back to the “Spirit & Word” for that is the image, the substance of YHVH our Elohim

When YHVH returns are we to be looking for a carnal image? Heaven forbid! For if we set our eyes on the flesh, we will be fooled by the deceitful one who comes in HIS name claiming to be HIS image. But if our hearts cling fast to the “Spirit & the Word” which has been constant from the beginning, that has never changed, is always eternal, then we will not be deceived.

Therefore it was YHVH, the “Spirit & the WORD” that came as our Messiah in the form adam(man - Spirit & Word) in order that Adam(carnal flesh)would recognize & understand HIM. We also must look to the history at Mt Sinai where the people trembled at the voice of YHVH because it was so powerful. When YHVH chose Moses to be the mediator(Adamaic high priest) between HE and the people, YHVH prophesied about HIS title as High Priest that HE would need to establish on earth as it is in HIS Kingdom. YHVH also knew that HE Himself would eventually have to come at a later set time because YHVH knew Adam (carnal flesh) would ignore HIM by continuing to add & take away from HIS Word. YHVH came as Yah’shua to instruct HIS children to cast off rabbinic legalism & follow HIM only.

The yods & strokes Yah’shua spoke of in Mt 5:18 are very, very, very, very, very importantif one is to understand what YHVH is saying to us. Thus the reason one can not discern the truth by just reading & studying in English & Greek.

In Gen 2:4 YHVH says “these are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created”. The Hebrew letter “Yod” which also represents the hand of YHVH in certain words appears 2x in the Hebrew spelling of generations.

The next appearance of generations comes in Gen 5:1 “This is the book of the generations of Adam”. This time the 2nd “Yod” is missing from the word generations. The hand of YHVH was removed because Adam(carnal flesh) had corrupted the “Spirit & the Word”.

Through Torah & the Prophets the word “generations” is never spelled the way YHVH intended it to be because Adam(carnal flesh) continued to corrupt YHVH’s “Spirit & Word”. That is, UNTIL we get the the Book of Ruth.

Ruth 4: 18-22 "Now these are the generations of Pharez:... and Obed begat Jesse, and Jesse begat David"

By restoring the 2nd “Yod”, the hand of YHVH, to the word "generations" YHVH prophesied that the adam(man-Spirit & Word) HE would come in as the Messiah would come through the seed of Ruth(born a gentile & through devotion to Torah & marriage to Boaz became a member of the house of Judah) which would bring forth the House of David & this adam(man)would be without blemish.

2 Samuel 22:47 “The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be my God, the Rock, my Savior!
Isaiah 17:10 You have forgotten God your Savior; you have not remembered the Rock, your fortress
Isaiah 43:3 For I am the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior
Psalm 18:46 The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God my Savior!
Psalm 25:5 Guide me in your truth and teach me, for you are God my Savior, and my hope is in you all day long
Psalm 27:9 Do not hide your face from me, do not turn your servant away in anger; you have been my helper. Do not reject me or forsake me, God my Savior
Psalm 42:5 Why, my soul, are you downcast? Why so disturbed within me? Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise him, my Savior and my God
Micah 7:7 But as for me, I watch in hope for the LORD, I wait for God my Savior
Habakkuk 3:18 yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will be joyful in God my Savior
Luke 1:47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior
1 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the command of God our Savior
1 Timothy 4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people
Titus 1:3 and which now at his appointed season he has brought to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior
Titus 2:13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior
Jude 1:25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority

The Apostles were not saying “God our Savior”out of any new NT revelation or NT teaching by Yah'shua that spoke of abolishing Torah as the NT did not existed at the time, therefore one can not use it to define the teachings in it because the unblemished adam named Yah'shua was YHVH. The Apostles only taught from the ONLY Scriptures that they had been taught from all their lives. The reading of Torah(Moses) and the writings of the Prophets they heard every Sabbath in the synagogues. Teachings & readings they studied diligently because Torah instruction was placed above all other subjects from their childhood.

Messiah is the title of the anointed High Priest of Isra’el through which all forgiveness is mediated. We use this title as affirmation that in deed, YHVH walked the earth in the flesh as Yah’shua. YHVH did not form a new man, he came in the for of adam(man).

Savior is the title of the deliverer of forgiveness and salvation

Yah’shua(Jesus) is the name given to the flesh means “God Saves”

We are to pray to YHVH for forgiveness “in the name(title) of Messiah who HE came as, but we are never to place the title of the flesh as having any power over that of our One & Only Elohim. And especially we do not place the name given to the flesh as having any power.

As prophesied, YHVH took the High Priesthood away from corrupted Adam(carnal flesh) and placed it back where it was always intended to be, in HIS “right hand”(another entire teaching in and of itself) because corrupted Adam(carnal flesh) thought they had the power to say how salvation is received & who receives it according to their rabbinic legalism(Talmud-oral law not given by YHVH). Cornelius! Man may be corrupt, but he was never “unclean”.

This is why the red banner(part of the sacrificial ritual of the scapegoat) placed on the Temple on Yom Kippur never turned white again after Yah’shua died(the name given to the flesh in order for the final blood atonement). The Adamaic(carnal flesh) high priesthood of Leviticus was taken away, never to be used again. The only way for Adam (carnal flesh) to receive forgiveness is to go straight to YHVH in the name(title) Messiah, the renew High Priest. The blood sacrifice from the Levitical Temple service was forever rejected. It was not taken away by Yah’shua the flesh, it was taken away by YHVH in the shedding of the blood of Yah’shua and it was Prophesied from the beginning that is MUST happen.

In our business I have many titles, but I am still only one being. YHVH has many titles and HE has never been anything but ONE being.

I have to say it is quite interesting reading religious history and all the Christendom bashing of Jews for killing their Elohim(God). Yes indeed, these historians knew exactly what they were saying. Too bad they cast off the front of the book, Torah & the Prophets, as irrelevent in order to be just like the Pharisee & Sadducee that Messiah rebuked. they became just like those who YHVH rebuked when he spoke as adam(man). Yes, carnal religious minds all think alike no matter the denomination.

The “Son”, Word brought in the form of flesh, is a metaphor for how all of YHVH’s children are to be. The “Son”, Yah’shua, was the living breathing “Spirit & Word” that was first breathed into adam(man) in the beginning. The Word brought in the form of flesh was our physical example and that flesh never strayed from the “Spirit& the Word” because not one of his actions was his own. Not one action, not one word was from his flesh or carnal mind; from birth to death.

We are to be examples of YHVH’s “Son”(adam in Gen 2:7), “Spirit & Word” not sons (Adams of the fallen flesh).

32 posted on 10/19/2011 5:44:32 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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