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To: blasater1960
It doesnt bother you that Jesus was not of a priestly tribe?

No it does not because the Melchisedek Priesthood is not of the earthly kingdom. Abraham was Hebrew and all tribes came through him. The Heavenly priesthood is neither Judah or Levite, they are Isra’el. However I do study under a Levite who is a direct descendant of Aaron.

Exodus 25:8 “They are to make me a sanctuary, so that I may live among them. 9 You are to make it according to everything I show you -the design of the tabernacle and the design of its furnishings. This is how you are to make it”

Hebrews explains the difference between the original and the earthly.

Hebrews 7:1 This Malki-Tzedek, king of Shalem, a cohen of God Ha’Elyon, met Avraham on his way back from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him; 2 also Avraham gave him a tenth of everything. Now first of all, by translation of his name, he is “king of righteousness”; and then he is also king of Shalem, which means “king of peace.” 3 There is no record of his father, mother, ancestry, birth or death; rather, like the Son of God, he continues as a cohen for all time. 4 Just think how great he was! Even the Patriarch Avraham gave him a tenth of the choicest spoils. 5 Now the descendants of Levi who became cohanim have a commandment in the Torah to take a tenth of the income of the people, that is, from their own brothers, despite the fact that they too are descended from Avraham. 6 But Malki-Tzedek, even though he was not descended from Levi, took a tenth from Avraham. Also, he blessed Avraham, the man who received God's promises; 7 and it is beyond all dispute that the one who blesses has higher status than the one who receives the blessing. 8 Moreover, in the case of the cohanim, the tenth is received by men who die; while in the case of Malki-Tzedek, it is received by someone who is testified to be still alive. 9 One might go even further and say that Levi, who himself receives tenths, paid a tenth through Avraham; 10 inasmuch as he was still in his ancestor Avraham’s body when Malki-Tzedek met him. 11 Therefore, if it had been possible to reach the goal through the system of cohanim derived from Levi (since in connection with it, the people were given the Torah), what need would there have been for another, different kind of cohen, the one spoken of as to be compared with Malki-Tzedek and not to be compared with Aharon? 12 For if the system of cohanim is transformed, there must of necessity occur a transformation of Torah. 13 The one about whom these things are said belongs to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar; 14 for everyone knows that our Lord arose out of Y’hudah, and that Moshe said nothing about this tribe when he spoke about cohanim. 15 It becomes even clearer if a “different kind of cohen,” one like Malki-Tzedek, arises, 16 one who became a cohen not by virtue of a rule in the Torah concerning physical descent, but by virtue of the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is stated, “You are a cohen FOREVER, to be compared with Malki-Tzedek.” 18 Thus, on the one hand, the earlier rule is set aside because of its weakness and inefficacy 19 (for the Torah did not bring anything to the goal); and, on the other hand, a hope of something better is introduced, through which we are drawing near to God. 20 What is more, God swore an oath. For no oath was sworn in connection with those who become cohanim now; 21 but Yeshua became a cohen by the oath which God swore when he said to him, “ADONAI has sworn and will not change his mind, ‘You are a cohen forever.’” 22 Also this shows how much better is the covenant of which Yeshua has become guarantor. 23 Moreover, the present cohanim are many in number, because they are prevented by death from continuing in office. 24 But because he lives forever, his position as cohen does not pass on to someone else; 25 and consequently, he is totally able to deliver those who approach God through him; since he is alive forever and thus forever able to intercede on their behalf. 26 This is the kind of cohen gadol that meets our need - holy, without evil, without stain, set apart from sinners and raised higher than the heavens; 27 one who does not have the daily necessity, like the other cohanim g’dolim, of offering up sacrifices first for their own sins and only then for those of the people; because he offered one sacrifice, once and for all, by offering up himself. 28 For the Torah appoints as cohanim g’dolim men who have weakness; but the text which speaks about the swearing of the oath, a text written later than the Torah, appoints a Son who has been brought to the goal forever.

Now here is where Christians who translated the Scriptures took the liberty to insert words that are not in the original Greek in order to place the fault in the Torah rather than themselves(Adam-”iysh”).

8:1 Here is the whole point of what we have been saying: we do have just such a cohen gadol as has been described. And he does sit at the right hand of HaG’dulah in heaven.d 2 There he serves in the Holy Place, that is, in the true Tent of Meeting, the one erected not by human beings but by ADONAI. 3 For every cohen gadol is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices; so this cohen gadol too has to have something he can offer. 4 Now if he were on earth, he wouldn't be a cohen at all, since there already are cohanim offering the gifts required by the Torah. 5 But what they are serving is only a copy and shadow of the heavenly original; for when Moshe was about to erect the Tent, God warned him, “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern you were shown on the mountain.” 6 But now the work Yeshua has been given to do is far superior to theirs, just as the covenant he mediates is better. For this covenant has been given as Torah on the basis of better promises. 7 Indeed, if the first("iysh" priesthood)(covenant - is not in original text) had not given ground for faultfinding, there would have been no need for a second one. 8 For when he says, “’See! The days are coming,’ says ADONAI, ‘when I will establish over the house of Isra’el and over the house of Y’hudah a new covenant.

The heresy of Christian doctrine exposed, especially that of Catholicism & their laws of confession through the priesthood. Am I saying that the Levitical priesthood is bad & needs to be abolished? Heavens no! Their purpose is not yet been fulfilled, i.e. protecting the integrity of Torah & YHVH;s Sabbath, Holy Sabbaths & appointed convocations as well as YHVH's calendars(civil & religious). The only responsibility taken from them by the new covenant was the yearly ritual sacrifice for sin. Never again will blood be shed as atonement for sin.

It has been held that Melchizedek was

Since the Melchisedek Priesthood existed before man, the 1st would have been “adam” before he, Adam(iysh), succumbed to sin. However, I would like to read the Jewish writings that say Melchisedek was Shem and how they make this connection using Scripture. Would you be willing to share where I can read the specific writings on this that connects it to Scripture as all I have been able to find thus far is speculation(Ramban) and YHVH does not speculate.

Melchisedek only appears with Abraham, then is mentioned by YHVH through David in the Psalms and finally appears in the letter to the Hebrews right before the Temple was destroyed in 70AD.

This is why one needs to study Scripture from beginning to end, in that order but as a whole, AND in the "Light" of the Hebrew language it was given in. The testimony of Yah'shua began on day one and is why it was spoken in the Torah, repeated in the 1st century gospel writings and at the the closing of Revelation; "Do not to add to or take away".

146 posted on 10/23/2011 10:27:08 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin
Here see what you think of this. Critique as you see fit!

Melchizedek

147 posted on 10/23/2011 10:52:49 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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