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To: patlin
Faith from your parent is not the same thing as Faith in or from God.

The first thing to know about faith in God is that it is given by God. Romans 12:3 "each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned". From this we know that it is God that gives the faith (not man) and that He has sovereignly given a portion to each He has given it.

With this Faith, we can exercise it, acting upon our relationship with Him (though the Love He has implanted) in the doing of His will. But instead of cringing at the law, we now love it since we love Him who made it and out of that love obey Him and "Love one another" as the Lord Jesus Christ gave commandment.

The law still convicts us and is most useful in the examination of ourselves (particularly before communion) which leads us to repentance. But the law is not the start of the Christian life, but it is faith.

Again, I remind you "whatever does not proceed from faith is sin" Romans 14:23 "For the Righteous shall live by Faith" Romans 1:17 Also forget not the Curse "For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." Galatians 3:10. For those who rely on the Works of the Law (rather than Faith) do err.

18 posted on 10/17/2011 10:16:51 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402
Faith without obedience is no faith at all.

Through Yah’shua’s blood we will never be condemned to death for sin. The cost of the sin was removed, but His blood did not remove the rules of YHVH’s house. Shama = hear & obey has always been the faith of YHVH’s children.

Thus the hypocrisy of religious doctrine that says part of the Torah still exists while other parts that will make one uncomfortable because they will have to give up pagan religious practices they so love only proves their love of the flesh is greater than that of YHVH. How did that work out for the 3000 at the base of Mt Sinai who were worshiping a golden calf in the name of YHVH. He didn't see it as being so innocent.

Repent means turning BACK TO YHVH’s Torah, not saying I'm sorry for sinning for words are nothing without action.

Romans 14:23 "For the Righteous shall live by Faith"

In Romans 1:17 Paul is quoting directly from the Tanakh, Habakkuk 2:4 which contains the exact same word for faith that is in Deut 32:4 & Ps 119:86. It speaks to the curse for those who think salvation comes by works without the testimony the Yah'shua is the Messiah. But it is very interesting you chose it because Faith without works is also no faith at all. And the same goes for the verse you posted from Galatians. But what is the context of Galatians?

Romans 14:23 without the edits(purposeful omissions in order to change the meaning of the text) by man, in this case, you: 23 But he that doubteth is condemned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith; and whatsoever is not of faith is sin

4:8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. 9But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
6:11See with what large letters I am writing to you with my own hand. 12 It is those who want to make a good showing in the flesh who would force you to be circumcised, and only in order that they may not be persecuted for the cross of Christ. 13For even those who are circumcised do not themselves keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh.

When read in context as this is one entire letter, not a bunch of sub-chapters, Paul is calling the Galatians out for falling for oral rabbinical law that was added to Torah as a requirement that had to be done before on received salvation. Before they came to Messiah, they were under slavery & bondage of the same kind of laws of men under pagan worship. Now the Galatians were turning away from the liberty of Torah that Yah'shua preached and were turning back to old practices of following the law of man rather than trusting in the Torah of YHVH lest they believe as the rabbinical told them that salvation can not be achieved unless works is 1st completed. Which is the exact opposite of the covenant of the Promise. Abraham received grace because he trusted completely and walked the faith. Faith is not carnal, faith is picking up your cross & doing knowing the YHVH is smarter than we are, thus HIS Torah is the path that leads to the narrow gate.

19 posted on 10/17/2011 11:23:29 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: sr4402; patlin
10 For as many as are of the works of [o]the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “(N)CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM.”

Paul is wrong. He is misquoting scripture. He says that those who are of the works of the law are cursed. G-d forbid! Read Psalm 119. 176 verses...the longest in the bible. The subject? The beauty of the law. How David delights in the law. It is not a curse...it is a BLESSING!

Paul is misquoting Deut 27, the curses of Mt Ebal. If you dont do certain things of the law...you will be cursed. BUT if you DO the law, what will happen?

1 “(A)Now it shall be, if you diligently [a]obey the LORD your God, being careful to do all His commandments which I command you today, the LORD your God (B)will set you high above all the nations of the earth. 2 All these blessings will come upon you and (C)overtake you if you [b]obey the LORD your God:

This one of many of Pauls false teachings. David calls the law a wonderous thing...Paul calls it a curse. I'll go with David.

21 posted on 10/17/2011 1:42:30 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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