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To: FatherofFive
But you still are not answering the questions asked

Maybe you can gain some Scriptural discernment from the post I just placed on another thread. I think you will find the answer to your question “Where do you take your concerns?” to be YHVH. Only YHVH can lead one to the truth. We close prayer “in the name of Messiah” as our affirmation that YHVH truly did walk among men of the flesh, but our prayers are always to be directed, directly to HIM only not through any earthly being. If one truly wants the truth, then there is only ONE Being in the universe who can open the door to the truth which resides in ones heart of each & every human being. It all starts with the heart as that is where the Spirit & Word lives within us. YHVH is the only one with the key to our hearts, not Adam(carnal flesh) dressed in religious garments.

The truth has always resided in our hearts waiting patiently for us to ask YHVH to turn the key in the door of our hearts in order for the truth to begin to pour out.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2793635/posts?page=196#196

152 posted on 10/19/2011 3:14:20 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin
I think you will find the answer to your question “Where do you take your concerns?” to be YHVH.

So when you are instructed to "tell it to the church" you can just ignore that part of Scripture.

Got it. Just make up whatever you want to believe, and ignore the clear words of Scripture that don’t fit your belief system.

"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Right – no Church here.

“But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15

Right. No Church here either.

It is a lot easier when you just make things up. You have a lot in common with the Mormons!

153 posted on 10/19/2011 6:33:52 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: patlin
The truth has always resided in our hearts waiting patiently for us to ask YHVH to turn the key in the door of our hearts in order for the truth to begin to pour out.

Did you read that from your own set of gold plates?

Again, that is not what Scripture says.

The TRUTH is in the Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, to the end of time.

“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Mat 6:18

“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” John 16:12-13

“But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15

154 posted on 10/19/2011 6:48:55 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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