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To: DanMiller

DanMiller, I think you evince a thoughtful and balanced approach, for which you are to be commended. America is not a Christian country as some think. On the other hand, America is a country founded on Christian values and ethics, or, if you prefer, Judeo-Christian values. This is more than evident from even a brief (but not unserious) examination of our history as a nation. The founders created a secular representative republic that acknowledged the existence of God, and its obligations before Him, but refused to define that God, because they were well aware that that was not the job of government, but of the church.

Thus, in America, so long as one adhered to the principles proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence and the fundamental “rules” enumerated in the Constitution, one was to be considered a faithful and loyal citizen of the United States. That would mean, in the case of a presidential candidate, for example, that there is no requirement, explicit or implicit, that he (or she) be a Christian or a Jew (both were around and taken into consideration at the time of the founding of the nation). The only requirement would be that the president would adhere to the founding documents of the nation, of which the chief one is the Constitution. So far, so good.

The only time, historically speaking, that serious questions have been asked is in the case of Alf Landon and then John F. Kennedy, both of whom were Roman Catholic. The problem with them was that the Roman Pontiff had in history claimed to be the supreme head of all government on earth - which had contributed to much conflict and unrest in Europe in earlier times, a problem which was well-known to the founding fathers and which they had tried to defend us from (separation of church and state). That problem, which was not overcome in the time of Landon, was in the time of Kennedy - at least here in the U.S. - who made it known very convincingly that he was answerable to the American people and Constitution first and foremost. Thus, from then on it would never be an issue again when a Roman Catholic ran for president.

In a sense, the case of Romney is similar, but with one huge difference. The Roman Catholic Church has no policy of requiring oaths or vows of secrecy from its adherents. What you see is, more of less, what you get, agree or disagree. But with the Mormons it is different. Every so-called “temple” Mormon makes a vow to keep secret those things that transpire in the temple at his or her induction. And no non-Mormon is ever allowed into a Mormon temple after it has been dedicated and begun to function. So, the question becomes, “What happens behind closed doors?” Was the first secret vow, much of which is known from Mormons who have left Mormonism, the only such secret vow? Or are there further secrets as one progresses up the ladder of the hierarchy? There is no trustworthy and certain answer to this question for the very reason that Mormonism is very good at maintaining secrecy.

Thus, the problem of Mitt Romney is not simply that he is a RINO - and here I agree with you completely, and it is my chief reason for being resolutely against him, but that he is connected to an organization whose oath he has taken to never reveal the secrets of the temple on pain of death (which was certainly part of the vow he took when he became a temple Mormon). Many Christians know this about the Mormons, and remain very skeptical.

The other - and what follows is biased by my own Christian beliefs - crazy, even ludicrous, doctrines of Mormonism come after all of the above concerns. Mitt Romney will never be able to satisfy Christians, and presumably Jews, and perhaps others, until he has come clean on the secret stuff. But, because of the vow, he cannot. Because if he were to do that, then the whole system is in danger of collapse. So, Romney has to fall back on pleas for civility and secularism, which is not really where the problem lies ... and he knows it.

For myself, I could never vote for him until he answers, satisfactorily, as John Kennedy once did. ... but then he’d still be a RINO.

Thanks again for your thoughtful post.


15 posted on 10/12/2011 6:58:49 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Belteshazzar

Alf was a Methodist unless unless they converted him when he wasn’t looking. Al Smiff was a Catholic.


18 posted on 10/12/2011 7:16:53 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: Belteshazzar

“Mitt Romney will never be able to satisfy Christians, and presumably Jews, and perhaps others, until he has come clean on the secret stuff.”

I guess you are talking about what goes on in the LDS Temples. Go to www.lds.org or www.mormon.org .

Please stop making ignorant statements about my Church.

This issue should have been put to rest considering the backlash suffered by Perry’s candidacy but oh no the anti Mormons will not be silenced no matter how foolish they look and how harmful they are to civil discourse and the GOP.

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. My Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, who is my Advocate with the Father and the Holy Ghost is my witness.

I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and I am not ashamed of the Gospel. Amen.


30 posted on 10/13/2011 6:46:12 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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