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To: sr4402
It is not Mary that makes the Lord Jesus Christ Divine but being God himself.

Nobody said otherwise, so you're shooting at strawmen. (Not to mention that the idea of a created being "making" someone "divine" is ridiculous. You can't give what you don't have.)

But if we refuse to call Mary "Mother of God" (the original Greek title was "Theotokos," literally, "God-bearer"), then we are necessarily doing one of three things. Either we are making Jesus less than God, or we are making him something other than one person, or we are making him something other than God incarnate, born of Mary.

Making Jesus less than God is the heresy of Arianism. That's what the Nicene Council shot down in AD 325.

Making Jesus something other than one person is the heresy of Nestorianism, shot down by the Council of Ephesus in AD 431.

Making Jesus something other than God incarnate can be any of a number of heresies, all of which we definitively shot down by the Council of Chalcedon in AD 451.

Making Jesus something other than a person born of Mary is too contrary to Scripture to be bandied about anywhere except by FR anti-Catholics. And yes, there used to be a couple of them on here that agreed that Mary was only Jesus' surrogate rent-a-womb mother, and had no real relationship to him. Seriously.

By the way, all of the Reformers stood with us on this, as will any Protestant minister with an orthodox Christology and a knowledge of Church history.

41 posted on 10/11/2011 5:41:12 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Campion
"Mother of God"

Calling Mary, the Mother of God put her over God. And God bows the knee to no one. Therefore the statement is Blasphemous.

42 posted on 10/11/2011 6:10:12 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Campion
"Mother of God"

Calling Mary, the Mother of God puts her over God. And God bows the knee to no one. Therefore the statement is Blasphemous.

43 posted on 10/11/2011 6:10:28 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Campion; sr4402
Also, Scripture warns against heresies that make Jesus Christ less than what He is.

By this is the spirit of God known. Every spirit which confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is of God: And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, and he is now already in the world. -1 John 4: 2-3

46 posted on 10/11/2011 7:29:36 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Campion; sr4402
And God bows the knee to no one.

Not only does that go against Luke 2: 51, which I cited above, it goes against one of this famous Scripture passage.

For let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men, and in habit found as a man. He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross. Philippians 2: 5-8

47 posted on 10/11/2011 7:32:51 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Campion; sr4402

Also, don’t forget that Our Lord washed the feet of His apostles at the Last Supper! This was God acting as a servant for His creation! What unfathomable humility!


49 posted on 10/11/2011 7:35:01 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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