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To: Godzilla
Was Jesus eternally God, or was there a period of time he wasn’t God

It is my belief that Jesus Christ is not God. Never was God and never will be God. He is the Son of God who CHOSE to come to the Earth and provide a way for the souls of ALL to be redeemed.

My purpose was not and is not to engage in a debate as to who is right or wrong here but only to show that the term "Christian" applies to a great many these days as opposed to when Jesus was alive and, I believe, that ALL followers of Christ are "Christians" just as when He was here. Does that mean that I believe all those who call themselves "Christian" are correct in their doctrine? No it does not but it is not for me to judge them. That is left to someone FAR greater than I.

53 posted on 10/10/2011 9:44:49 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Bigun

There’s a difference between judging a human’s soul, which is God’s authority, and rebuking false teaching, which is certainly within the rights of Christians.

What gives you the right to define the term “Christian”? Why do you think that term means anything other than how it’s defined in the Bible?


58 posted on 10/10/2011 9:51:54 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: Bigun
It is my belief that Jesus Christ is not God. Never was God and never will be God. He is the Son of God who CHOSE to come to the Earth and provide a way for the souls of ALL to be redeemed.

Well, well, a mormon who comes close to the truth for once - in stark contrast to other mormons here. But even here you parse your words. You are careful to separate Jesus from God - knowing that in mormonese God is often used to refer to heavenly father.

But your admission points to the fact that the mormon Jesus is drastically different from the Christian Jesus, and as such is basing its claim to be Christian on a false definition of Jesus. John 1:1 makes it clear - the Word (Jesus) was God.

It further makes it clear that the mormon theology is polytheistic doesn't it bigun, because mormonism considers Jesus and the Holy Ghost to be 'gods' as well as there being and uncounted plethora of gods inhabiting the 'heavens'.

You can't avoid it - mormon definition of 'christ' is not that which is clearly found in the bible- but that which has been spouted by smith and all the other prophets to date.

Does that mean that I believe all those who call themselves "Christian" are correct in their doctrine? No it does not but it is not for me to judge them. That is left to someone FAR greater than I.

Indeed - the mormon definition presented by you denigrates Jesus and presents a false view. the bom calls all non-mormon churches 'whores' and the church of the devil - pretty judgmental to me. Did you serve a mission? Did you try to convince people that their church was apostate and the mormon church the only 'true' church? Thats judging people by mormons bigun, please be big enough to recognize that mormonism has historically judged Christianity as unchristian.

61 posted on 10/10/2011 9:56:08 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Bigun
It is my belief that Jesus Christ is not God. Never was God and never will be God.

This is NOT what the Bible reveals.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. (John 1:1-4 -- the Word is God.)
Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior." (Isaiah 43:10b,11 -- not Gods, but one God and Savior)
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God. (Isaiah 44:6 -- He is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.)
But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. For thus saith the LORD that created the heaven; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:17,18)
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:21,22)
"For unto a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6)

This is just a small sample of verses clearly showing that Jesus Christ is God, the only God there is. Unless you believe that Jesus Christ is God, and the only God there is, you shall die in your sins (John 8:24). He died for all men, but his sacrificial death only profits those who believe.

80 posted on 10/10/2011 11:23:25 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Bigun; Godzilla

It is my belief that Jesus Christ is not God. Never was God and never will be God. He is the Son of God who CHOSE to come to the Earth and provide a way for the souls of ALL to be redeemed.

...I believe, that ALL followers of Christ are “Christians” just as when He was here.
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Well at least you are honest about Mormon doctrine, that is better than some on here.

And your definition of “Christian” is wrong, it isn’t what YOU believe the definition is, it is what the Bible says, but I’m willing to bet you believe the Bible is only the Word of God ‘as far as it is translated correctly’.

BTW, Mormon leaders (and Mormons in general) have judged “Christians” since the foundation of the LDS church. Want quotes?


138 posted on 10/11/2011 3:09:16 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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