[hfr]

You said: We knew or should have known it was going to happen, I think the surprise is that it is happening in our lifetime.

I think that is characteristic of prophecy. We're told, we don't really understand, then when it is fulfilled we begin to think that it should have been obvious.

I think that when the Lord returns that will be the case.

I think that if we are in the end-times we're just now becoming suspicious that we will be surprised.

Anyway that was a good point.

[metmom]

Actually, the surprise should have been the founding of this country.

The whole world system is anti-Christ. This mentality that we’re in that what we see in the United States is the norm is what’s whacked out.

We should NOT have been surprised to see this happening but we, as believers, should have seen it coming.