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To: boatbums
It's something that I have concluded for quite some time now. We see it very clearly anytime even the smallest detail of "dogma" is disputed.

Amazing that you find it necessary to dispute even the smallest detail of dogma. How does that glorify Christ?

No matter how many references of Scripture are shown, their conclusion boils down to it must be a problem with how we are "interpreting" the verses

Not at all, Catholics have said many times that the Bible is not the complete story. Holy Tradition is also taken into account. Unlike protestants, we do not worship the Bible, nor do we worship Paul.

because their "Infallibly determined Infallible Magesterium" could not ever be wrong about anything. They have more twists and spins to explain it all than the best politicians could ever hope for.

Well, we don't fall for Doctor Billy Bob Rolex, and his Welch's and crumbled Saltines, that's for sure.

188 posted on 10/04/2011 10:14:04 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
Amazing that you find it necessary to dispute even the smallest detail of dogma. How does that glorify Christ?

No, what's amazing to me is the aversion some Catholics have to admitting their leaders are NOT infallible. It is quite blatant when even a small detail of dogma is "off base" for disagreement. I find that eerily like a form of mind control or brainwashing. Not unlike certain cults that are around even today.

Not at all, Catholics have said many times that the Bible is not the complete story. Holy Tradition is also taken into account. Unlike protestants, we do not worship the Bible, nor do we worship Paul.

Well there's the problem. Some Catholics place their "Holy Tradition" ABOVE Holy Scripture and that is just not right. ESPECIALLY when some of those "unwritten" traditions contradict Scripture. BTW...you may want to drop the "Unlike protestants...worship the Bible...Paul". It does nothing to enhance your credibility since that is clearly a nonsensical thing to say. See, I preface my comments by saying "some Catholics", because I know that not all think the same about certain things. Speaking for myself and some others with whom I converse we don't worship the Bible and we certainly don't worship Paul.

Now that I think about it, it's kind of funny that a catholic is putting down someone who they say worships the Bible, but that same catholic may worship "Holy Tradition" and their "Holy Magesterium". They may also worship Mary and other "saints" including St. Paul!

Well, we don't fall for Doctor Billy Bob Rolex, and his Welch's and crumbled Saltines, that's for sure.

That's another tired out, thread bare saying. You may not fall for Doctor Billy Bob Rolex, but put a collar on him and call him "Father" or "Your Holiness" and whatever comes out of his mouth is considered the absolute truth. I realize the "Welch's and crumbled Saltines" is probably meant as an insult but it falls flat simply because I know that even grape juice and stale crackers can symbolize the most powerful soul lesson Jesus ever gave us. That the juice was "his blood" shed for our sins - paid for them IN FULL - and the tiniest piece of bread symbolized "his body" which was broken for us. When we partake of these we are "showing the Lord's death until he comes". I HIGHLY doubt it matters to him what the elements are more than what they represent to us and that we are reminded of the greatest act of mercy, grace and love. I don't think he is offended in the least!

190 posted on 10/04/2011 10:43:55 PM PDT by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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