Posted on 10/03/2011 9:24:36 AM PDT by jesus4life
Well it does appear their will be a unity of catholics and protestants along the way, but how that will actually look is another thing...it would seem each maintains it’s own identity...rather like states in a union...but will all be under a “leadership” over it.
I do think islam will also be a part of this unity....especially with the muslim brotherhoods tentacles spread about internationally. They’ll let them in because of the oil revenues....same with the mormons who have vast enterprizes and real-estate business ventures on an international scale. And no secret the Vatican is awash with revenues.
Meanwhile it does appear these various “groups” do speak for the Pope...and that on a “universal” scale.
THE ROMAN CURIA
In exercising supreme, full, and immediate power in the ‘universal Church’, the Roman pontiff makes use of the departments of the Roman Curia which,... therefore,... perform their duties ‘in his name’ and ‘with his authority’ for the good of the churches and in the service of the sacred pastors.
CHRISTUS DOMINUS, 9
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/index.htm
You can jest about it NL...and it does seem at times pretty far fetched...or at least it use to...but not anymore. Scripture is like that at times...we can’t imagine certain things possible but then as time moves forward we see not only possible, but actually understood and seen.
Several of the churches I’ve attended wanted no part of the World Council of Churches when they first formed and named themsleves....though they claim to represent all Protestant faiths...that is simply not the case... and part of the reasons many Independant churches arose since that time.
I do wonder if the catholic believers might do likewise if they are pushed into this universal church....they cannot remain within the catholic church when it continues this push for too much longer...and it would seem, as with the protestant churches...
Too many un-believers have entered and taken positions of authority. But Christ said this would be so and warned us this would occur. I just hope and pray those we have become acquainted with on FR all “escape” before it’s too late. I for one will be very very happy when that day occurs...and they too come out from among them.
Thanks for adding that fact Alamo-girl. Longevity doesn't mean something is right because it lasts. Criminals have been with us for years as well....Hinduism and many pagan practices as well...and then there's all that falls inbetween.
For that matter sins been around since satan desired to be God....and he still influences people in many ways they cannot identify.
Name one.
no.
For a couple of people who preach endlessly against any argument not founded solely in Scripture you two sure are tap dancing around Gamaliel's counsel.
That's what I expected.
Cults and false religions are thriving in America today. These are definitely not of God, and millions of people are involved in them. So Gamaliels’s logic is faulty.
Gamaliel’s “do-nothing” counsel would certainly bring to an end all law enforcement, if adopted by any State.... Equally, there would be no discipline in the church.... God repeatedly commands in His Word that right conduct should be approved and wrongdoing should be restrained.
It must be admitted Gamaliel made two correct statements: first, that the work of men comes to nothing, and secondly, that the work of God cannot be overthrown. But he failed to note that the fall of the false may not take place for many centuries! Has Islam fallen yet, or Rome, or Hinduism? By Gamaliel’s test, perhaps we should conclude that these movements are of God. But Gamaliel forgot that God does not judge the false immediately. Some false institutions will last until Christ destroys them at His Coming.
To substitute the do-nothing counsel of Gamaliel for discernment leads to one of two consequences, as we have noted. Either we fail to support something which is right, or we say and do nothing about something which is harmful and dishonoring to God. Gamaliel’s counsel is always foolish, selfish, and hideously costly to the cause of Christ.
The use of the counsel of Gamaliel in defense of a “do-nothing” or “run-with-the-tide” approach to any new fad is a sure sign of a person who has an inadequate respect for Scripture as the authoritative judge of all matters.
“no.”
“That’s what I expected.”
Then why did you ask such a foolish question when you know the answer very well without my imput?
I think that word appears in a Council on Foreign Relations publication I once read. Or was it the Bildenberg Club?I know it was some New World Order or Illuminati thing…
If reality doesn't fit the desired image, ya just gotta change reality.
That post pretty much sums it up for me...but the source ccannot be forthcoming as I don’’t know where I took it from..but it was to oppose a new age member who kayed claim to Gamaleil’s words as well. Many cults under the Christian disguise are not excempt from using Christian material.
That post pretty much sums it up for me...but the source ccannot be forthcoming as I don’’t know where I took it from..but it was to oppose a new age member who layed claim to Gamaleil’s words as well. Many cults under the Christian disguise are not excempt from using Christian material.
You make a statement that I knew to be a complete confabulation. I gave you a chance to substantiate it and you had to punt. So much for your learned opinions.
If by "Rome" you are referring to the Catholic Church you better not hold your breath awaiting its failure. Jesus promised that the Gates of hell will not prevail against it. That cannot be said for the thousands of failed and failing Protestant denominations around the world.
Now before you get your nickers in a bunch about who or what you believe the Catholic Church is or is not remember that the Apostles Creed, used by Catholic Church, Lutheranism, Anglicanism,Presbyterians, Methodists, and Congregationalists, clearly recognizes that "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church" and the "Communion of Saints" are two separate bodies.
What do you mean...”you gave me a chance”? Your question didn’t need an answer. Most Christians understand there are wolfs among the sheep..and the masqurade as ones as well. I’m sure you’ve met some along the way,...I know I have. Unless of course you are saying you aren’t aware of this, which would be impossible for me to believe.
What churches might believe, and what the scripture tells us, and how people want to discern these creeds mean, is entirely up to them to decide.
What I know and believe is the church is the ‘body of believers’ IN Christ.... and has no denomination barriers except those the men in them might determine, which of course always becomes a problem them. But Jesus said “all” who would come...I think He ment it.
As for the Protestant churches falling away...of course that is also to be expected, just as it is in the catholic church, as time moves forward to that day...Jesus said there would be a great “falling away”...from the faith so this should not surprise us...but it sure is very sad when we see it happening as it is today.
At any rate the Gates of Hell will not prevail against the body of Christ (His church)...we are His and He is ours...and He is able to help us stand.
As the Pope outlined, the political issues that are non-negotiable for the Catholic faith are: Sanctity of life, protection of marriage and family from the state, parent’s control of their children’s education - not the state.
The Church played a major role in defeating world communist domination by the USSR, and continues to fight against China’s attempt to control religious freedom.
One of the key principles of Catholic social thought is the principle of subsidiarity.
If and when those try to work contrary to any of this, we stand against them and fight. We don’t run off and start another “denomination.” We know where that leads. :)
What could you possibly know about what Christians understand?
If the vileness is not extracted then you will indeed see a mass exodus from the building....why would you put peoples lifes in further danger? Especially your family?
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