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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

My late husband had an NDE when he was first diagnosed with Hodgkin’s disease back in the early 70s. He was on the operating table having a splenectomy when his heart stopped. He said he felt himself out of his body, at the top of the room, looking down on the doctors trying to resuscitate him. He said he felt completely peaceful and good - and could sense his grandfather’s presence near him. He was nothing like a “true believer” and I believed him. I’ve since been comforted by reading accounts of NDEs. I know it’s not particularly Biblical, but there does seem to be something going on. And I’ve read in many of these people recognize it’s Christ they’re seeing as “the Light” and feeling a great enveloping love from it. I find this very comforting!


18 posted on 09/17/2011 4:15:00 PM PDT by madmominct
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To: madmominct

I see no immediate harm in your belief nor do I intend to belittle it. I believe in an afterlife I just don’t think NDE’s are proof of it. I think it was St Paul that said we have to believe in things unseen. I can live with that advice.


25 posted on 09/17/2011 4:44:45 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: madmominct
I know several people who've had them. I believe they're real. In my Dad's case, he remembered being chased by demons until a vision appeared of a man that told him, "don't worry, I'm going to save you". Later, after he recovered, he accepted Christ for the first time in his 78 long years. Less than a year later, he passed away in his sleep with his arm behind his head and a peaceful look on his face.

I've studied the sciences all of my life. The one thing I've learned is that there's much more that we don't know about the world or the forces around us than we know.

Carl Sagan used to say, "if there isn't other life in the universe, it's a terrible waste of space."

I modified it a bit and say, "if there isn't life after death, it's a terrible waste of life."

26 posted on 09/17/2011 4:47:02 PM PDT by Errant
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To: madmominct

I know it’s not particularly Biblical, but there does seem to be something going on. And I’ve read in many of these people recognize it’s Christ they’re seeing as “the Light” and feeling a great enveloping love from it. I find this very comforting!


Actually, I think it “might” be biblical. Remember the story of:

The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”


57 posted on 09/17/2011 7:33:06 PM PDT by Linda Frances
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