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To: hfr

hfr, thank you. One other concern. In Daniel ch 9 we find that the man of sin comes from those who destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the sactuary (the Temple). In my opinionin it is easy to see that this would be an individual from the old Romand empire.

In Psalms 83, there are 10 designations mentioned, some of them are countries, for example Moab, some are ethnic groups example Ishmaelites. How does one make the theological connection between the man of sin (coming from the old roman empire) and these 10 people groups/geographical areas located in the middle east?


10 posted on 09/14/2011 5:18:28 AM PDT by fatboy (This protestant will have no part in the ecumenical movement)
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To: fatboy
For what it is worth, I think prophecy is most often easily understood in hindsight.

I particularly apply that to eschatological prophecy. If one reads the prophecies in Isaiah about the Lord how can one understand ahead of time how they would be fulfilled. But in hindsight it becomes possible.

The one thing I learn for sure from prophecy is how little I know about anything.

So I can't answer your question other than to say that the personalities will be revealed in due time. And no doubt they will be surprising and at the same time just exactly what prophecy said.

So I think the details must wait, not knowable ahead of time. And that the point of prophecy is to make us aware of the judgments of a righteous God in order to persuade us to cling to Christ.

Sorry I couldn't give a better answer.

12 posted on 09/14/2011 5:59:00 AM PDT by hfr (Liberalism is a moral disorder that leads to mental disorder (actually it's sin))
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To: fatboy
How does one make the theological connection between the man of sin (coming from the old roman empire) and these 10 people groups/geographical areas located in the middle east?

See the map below. You'll notice that the eastern leg of the Roman Empire consisted of the Middle Eastern area of today. The Western Roman Empire collapsed in 476 A.D. which is the portion most of our generation has been taught to focus on regarding the prophecy of the revived roman Empire. However, the Eastern leg of the Roman or Byzantine Empire remained in power a thousand years after the collpase of the western leg, ending in 1453 A.D. with the death of Constantine XI and the capture of Constantinople by the Ottoman Turks, so the capital of the Roman Empire for the last thousand years was Constantinople. Where is Constantinople located? In Turkey. Hope this helps. (Keep your eyes on Turkey and Syria.) - OB1


14 posted on 09/14/2011 7:42:00 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (To some, George Orwell's story, "1984" is a cautionary tale. To others, it's a "how to" manual.)
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To: fatboy
In Daniel ch 9 we find that the man of sin comes from those who destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the sactuary (the Temple). In my opinionin it is easy to see that this would be an individual from the old Romand empire.

Look at secular history. According to Josephus, the Roman legions used to attack Jerusalem had been stationed in Syria. In particular, 90% of the soldiers from the legion that was assigned the destruction of the Temple, the X legion (Fretensis), were from Syria. So much for the idea of a "roman" anti-christ!

18 posted on 09/14/2011 9:02:27 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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