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To: TheBigIf

You are sadly confused.

Tax the Church..

There are many sects of Christianity.

None are uniform in their beliefs.

I will not be ruled by Kings or Priests.

“It may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the Civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions and doubts on unessential points. The tendency to unsurpastion on one side or the other, or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them, will be best guarded agst. by an entire abstinence of the Gov’t from interfence in any way whatsoever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order, and protecting each sect agst. trespasses on its legal rights by others.”
“James Madison on Religious Liberty”

“What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.” Madison- “A Memorial and Remonstrance”, 1785

“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” Madison -1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches

John Adams The second president of the United States was John Adams, lawyer and diplomat. Adams’ public career lasted more than 35 years. He was second only to George Washington in making a place for the young United States among the nations of the world. In his devotion to the country he was second to none. He laid his thoughts out clearly...

“The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning. And ever since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality, is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hand, and fly into your face and eyes.”
- letter to John Taylor

“The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?”
Adams

You see TBI...I am a deist. It is an insult to those of of of a different religion then you for you to claim that your creed only is superior.

“. . . Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.” Adams

and

“This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.”...Jefferson

and

“The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”

And George Washington?

“Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.”
- letter to Edward Newenham, 1792

Many, perhaps most of the Founders of this country were Deists. Your dominionist views are at odds with what this country was built on.

“Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. Jefferson - letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787
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77 posted on 09/11/2011 7:00:13 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: KDD

It is you who are sadly confused being that you had to assume that my views were dominionist when I am not even Christian nor a part of any religion at all.

I simply support equal representation for all world views in government in making legislation within their communities and for all worldviews to have the equal right to be freely expressed in the public square.

Your view though in the post I responded to was much more aligned with a dominionist point of view being it is you who seek to deny rights to representation to people being that you deem their desire to live in communities with laws that reflect thier morality to be ‘tyrannical’ as you put it. Thus you find them immoral and want to impose this moral viewpoint of yours.


78 posted on 09/11/2011 8:36:47 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: KDD

Oh and I missed the other line of yours being that your post is intermixed between unsourced quotes and then your own words to me.

It is you who are insultive being that you make assumptions claiming that I am something I am not. Your psot is also not even a response to my post that it claims to be and you never even address my statement but instead you just make up a position and attribute it to me instead.

Your post seems to be more one that is trying to make the case for the leftist policy of ‘Seperation of Church and State’ and supports anti-religious bigotry.


82 posted on 09/11/2011 9:00:52 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: KDD; TheBigIf
"Reading, reflection and time have convinced me that the interests of society require the observation of those moral precepts ... in which all religions agree." --Thomas Jefferson

And all religions agree that same sex acts are abominable, sinful, wrong and not to be accepted, celebrated or even tolerated.

95 posted on 09/11/2011 4:57:00 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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