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To: Jvette; HossB86
"I said the church believes and teaches that Mary was in need of a Savior as we all are." Jvette.

She was in need of a Savior for what reason? Mary, "the All-Holy," lived a perfectly sinless life. According to your Catechism 411,493.

If her life was SINLESS, she had no need of a Savior. He would have saved her from what, exactly? Sin? She had NONE, according to your Catechism. A PERFECTLY SINLESS LIFE means exactly what it says.

917 posted on 09/05/2011 6:50:49 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice

She had no sin because of an act of God, not by her own merit, but by the merits of the Son of God, God the Son, whom she bore in her womb.

Her savior is her Son and He preserved her from sin. Without His grace at the moment of her conception she would have been subject to sin. But, in preparation for her role, AS THE MOTHER OF THE SON, she was saved from the corruption of sin.

Her flesh became His flesh, but her salvation came from Him not the other way around.

Is it willful ignorance that keeps that from being clear?

Why leave out the rest? Why ignore that the teaching is that Mary was preserved from sin by the grace of Her son in order to be His mother? Because it doesn’t fit with being a protestant! Because it proves what I have been saying the church teaches.

Why not paste here what the Catechism says? You had no problem pasting this from some site

Mary, “the All-Holy,” lived a perfectly sinless life. According to your Catechism 411,493.

Here is what it says fully for those who care to know and not be misled by you.

411 The Christian tradition sees in this passage an announcement of the “New Adam” who, because he “became obedient unto death, even death on a cross”, makes amends superabundantly for the disobedience, of Adam. Furthermore many Fathers and Doctors of the Church have seen the woman announced in the Protoevangelium as Mary, the mother of Christ, the “new Eve”. Mary BENEFITED FIRST OF ALL and UNIQUELY FROM CHRIST’S VICTORY OVER SIN: she was preserved from all stain of original sin and BY A SPECIAL GRACE FROM GOD committed no sin of any kind during her whole earthly life.

493 The Fathers of the Eastern tradition call the Mother of God “the All-Holy” (Panagia), and celebrate her as “free from any stain of sin, as though fashioned by the Holy Spirit and formed as a new creature”. By the GRACE OF GOD, Mary remained free of every personal sin her whole life long.

I have said it over and over and over and it falls on hearts of stone.

Last time I say it here to those of invincible ignorance.


925 posted on 09/05/2011 7:13:15 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: smvoice
If her life was SINLESS, she had no need of a Savior. He would have saved her from what, exactly? Sin? She had NONE, according to your Catechism. A PERFECTLY SINLESS LIFE means exactly what it says.

There are two ways I can save you from quicksand. I can pull you out once you are in, or I cankeep you from falling in in the first place. In either case I have 'saved' you.

Mary was prevented, we think, from falling in in the first place, so she was 'saved' the second way.

999 posted on 09/06/2011 1:20:30 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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