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To: CynicalBear
>>Paul was sent to teach and preach with the authority of God. The others did not have the authority to teach anything else other than what the Church taught.<< Huh??? You mean the other Apostles had no authority directly from Jesus? Even Peter? >>2 Thessalonians 2: 15Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.<<

The others are the ones to whom Paul addressed his letters (from which I excerpted). Paul and the Apostles had the authority to teach and to quantify the Faith (as did those to whom they appointed as successors). Individual presbyters and deacons do not.

That’s right, and would be the reason I insist everything be proven in scripture unlike the RCC which “makes things up as they go along”.

Where does it say that Scripture is the only source of belief? NT Scripture did not even start getting written down until a generation after the Ascension of Jesus. What do you think that the Church relied on until the Canon of Scripture was approved? Flash cards?

649 posted on 09/05/2011 10:03:52 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move m to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
>>NT Scripture did not even start getting written down until a generation after the Ascension of Jesus.<<

It never ceases to amaze me to watch the comments of those who try to espouse a view without facts. Jesus ascension was somewhere around 33AD right? Now you say “not even written down until a generation after the ascension of Jesus”. Now let’s look at the facts.

Matthew – 37AD written by Matthew, called Levi, son of Alphaeus and brother of James
Mark – 57-63AD written by John Mark
Luke – 58-63AD written by Luke
John – 90AD written by John
Acts - 63AD written by Luke, the beloved physician
Romans – 58-60AD the 6th of Pauls letters written in Crinth and sent to Rome by Phebe
1 Corinthians – 59AD written by Paul at Ephesus
2 Corinthians – 60AD written by Paul
Galatians – 69AD written by Paul
Ephesians – 64AD written by Paul
Philippians – 64AD written by Paul
Colossians – 64AD written by Paul
1 Thessalonians – 54AD written by Paul
2 Thessalonians – 54-55AD written by Paul
1Timothy – 67AD written by Paul
2 Timothy – 68AD written by Paul
Titus – 67AD written by Paul
Philemon – 64AD written by Paul
Hebrews – 68AD written by Paul
James – 45AD written by James the brother of Jesus
1Peter – 60AD written by Peter
2 Peter – 61-65AD written by Peter
1-3 John – 90AD written by John the Apostle
Jude – 66AD written by Jude
Revelation – 96AD written by John the Apostle

Would you please point out which of those was written “a generation” after Jesus ascension? If you can’t, do you honestly think that those letters were not used as scripture and teaching tools prior to your RCC telling them too? The arrogance of RCC is beyond astounding.

683 posted on 09/05/2011 10:51:34 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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