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To: Not gonna take it anymore; metmom; caww

This is another instance of people saying the Catholic Church’s teaching is something other than what it is.

I think, CAWW, that there is a kind of “prejudice without malice aforethought. We do NOT have the nerve to think we can CAUSE the sacramental presence as though we were magicians conjuring our familiar. Yet we can say “’Real’ not ‘physical’,” and so forth more than seven times a day and it will make no difference at all. Our testimony is considered tainted before we open our mouths.


3,851 posted on 09/17/2011 6:48:16 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Then why the teaching that water baptism and consuming the Eucharist are necessary for salvation?

Those are both physical acts. The spiritual reality is that by my faith in Christ and abiding in Him, I have partook of His body and blood, and by having believed I have been baptized in the Holy Spirit.

My water baptism did not cause me to be saved, IOW, bring it to pass. It reflects the spiritual reality I experienced.


3,852 posted on 09/17/2011 7:12:29 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Mad Dawg
We do NOT have the nerve to think we can CAUSE the sacramental presence as though we were magicians conjuring our familiar.

Yet it is understood your Priests do just that. Forgetting that as Christians Jesus promised never to leave us, He is a constant "Presence" in our life. So attempting to claim a "real" or "physical" presence in the ritual performed actually declares He isn't there until the Priest announces He is.

3,870 posted on 09/17/2011 8:40:42 AM PDT by caww
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