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To: CynicalBear; vladimir998
No, haven't you heard?

"We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instant of HER conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved FREE FROM ALL STAIN OF ORIGINAL SIN, is a DOCTRINE REVEALED BY GOD and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful." - Ineffabilis Deus, Pope Pius IX.

But wait, it gets "better"

The Church says she was created without a sin nature and was "ever ABSOLUTELY FREE OF ALL STAIN OF SIN, all fair and perfect," (-Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus) remaining "free of EVERY PERSONAL SIN her WHOLE LIFE LONG."- The German Bishop's Conference, The Church's Confession of Faith (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1987), p. 46, quoting J.A. Mohler.

3,597 posted on 09/15/2011 9:21:47 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice

Blasphemy, absolute blasphemy.


3,599 posted on 09/15/2011 9:26:49 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: smvoice; CynicalBear; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
"We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instant of HER conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved FREE FROM ALL STAIN OF ORIGINAL SIN, is a DOCTRINE REVEALED BY GOD and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful." - Ineffabilis Deus, Pope Pius IX.

But wait, it gets "better"

The Church says she was created without a sin nature and was "ever ABSOLUTELY FREE OF ALL STAIN OF SIN, all fair and perfect," (-Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus) remaining "free of EVERY PERSONAL SIN her WHOLE LIFE LONG."- The German Bishop's Conference, The Church's Confession of Faith (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1987), p. 46, quoting J.A. Mohler.

Kind of causes you to wonder why God just didn't do that for all of us and save the world a lot of grief.

Now, wait a minute.........

If God can forgive all the sin that Mary was to have committed not only before she committed them but even before Jesus not only died but was born, then why do Catholics have such a problem with all our future sins that we haven't committed yet being covered under Jesus's redemption, so that we can still get to heaven if we haven't kept perfect accounts with God, confessing every single sin that we ever committed in our lives, you know, because of a faulty memory or such?

3,612 posted on 09/16/2011 2:21:11 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: smvoice

Then Scripture was wrong when it states that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and that among those born of women, there is not one greater than John the Baptist.

And Mary lied when she stated that God was her savior, because if she was born without a sin nature and never sinned, she would not have needed a savior. Not to mention that she would not have been fully human either.


3,613 posted on 09/16/2011 2:24:42 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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