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To: Iscool; MarkBsnr; vladimir998; Natural Law
Amen, Iscool. It's a real shame that people cannot read the word of God as it is written, not as they assume it says, or that they were told by their "expert" it says, but just as it says. Water means water. And Spirit means Spirit. A water baptism is NOT a baptism by the Holy Spirit. There is ONE BODY< ONE FAITH>ONE BAPTISM now, according to Eph.4:4-6. It does not say two baptisms, one with water and one by the Holy Spirit, it does not say three baptisms, an extra one added just in case a person wasn't "properly" baptized by the RCC. It says ONE.

When did THIS happen? And what changed to make it now ONE BAPTISM BY the HOLY SPIRIT INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST?

In the ministry of Paul, where water baptism is NEVER required for the remission of sins. NEVER> Obviously, another commission was replacing the commission given to Peter and the 11 before Christ's ascension.

It is SIGNIFICANT that while Paul did baptize some, and mention this in his first letter to the Corinthians, he states that he is GLAD he baptized so few, adding that Christ sent him NOT to baptize, but to preach the gospel. The preaching of the Cross. 1 Cor. 1:17,18.

It is the preaching of the Cross, the shedding of Christ's blood for our remission of sins that Paul preached, the commission that was given TO HIM BY JESUS CHRIST. It wasn't about WATER, it was about the BLOOD OF CHRIST. Need more proof?

Paul, the apostle of the Gentiles and the minister of the body of Christ NEVER in any of his letters, commands, or even exhorts us to be baptized with water. NEVER ONCE.

Peter and the 11 could NEVER have said that. Because their commission included Repent and be baptized..for the remission of sins.

Something changed between Peter and the 11's commission and Paul's commission. It's called the Dispensation of the grace of God. And it has to do with the Cross. And the shedding of Christ's blood FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS.

3,219 posted on 09/14/2011 8:26:08 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice; Iscool; MarkBsnr; vladimir998; Natural Law

“Peter and the 11 could NEVER have said that. Because their commission included Repent and be baptized..for the remission of sins.

Something changed between Peter and the 11’s commission and Paul’s commission. It’s called the Dispensation of the grace of God. And it has to do with the Cross. And the shedding of Christ’s blood FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS.”

Please correct me if I am misunderstanding what you have written here.

You seem to be saying that Jesus spent three years with the Apostles, teaching them and preparing them for the New Covenant told them one must be born of water and the Spirit to enter the Kingdom of God and sent them as the Father sent Him, anointed them with the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, but then changed everything when He called Saul and converted him from persecutor to apostle.

So, Paul was given a different gospel, known only to him which negated all that Jesus had said and taught the other twelve?

What does Paul say in Galatians?

2  1 After fourteen years I again went up to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and Titus came with us. 2 Following a revelation, I went to lay before them the Gospel that I am preaching to the pagans. I had a private meeting with the leaders—lest I should be working or have worked in a wrong way. 3 But they did not impose circumcision, not even on Titus who is Greek and who was with me. 4 But there were some intruders and false brothers who had gained access to watch over the way we live the freedom Christ has given us. They would have us enslaved by the Law, 5 but we refused to yield even for a moment; so that the truth of the Gospel remain intact for you.
6 The others, the more respectable leaders—it does not matter what they were before: God pays no attention to the status of a person—gave me no new instructions. 7 They recognized that I have been entrusted to give the Good News to the pagan nations, just as Peter has been entrusted to give it to the Jews. 8 In the same way that God made Peter the apostle of the Jews, he made me the apostle of the pagans.
9 James, Cephas and John acknowledged the graces God gave me. Those men who were regarded as the pillars of the Church stretched out their hand to me and Barnabas as a sign of fellowship; we would go to the pagans and they to the Jews. 10 We should only keep in mind the poor among them. I have taken care to do this.

Paul went to the pillars of the Church to be affirmed by them that he was teaching the same Gospel as they.


3,229 posted on 09/14/2011 9:41:26 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: smvoice
It is SIGNIFICANT that while Paul did baptize some, and mention this in his first letter to the Corinthians, he states that he is GLAD he baptized so few, adding that Christ sent him NOT to baptize, but to preach the gospel. The preaching of the Cross. 1 Cor. 1:17,18.

If water baptism were so critical for salvation I can't imagine Paul being glad that he didn't baptize people. On the contrary, I'd have expected him to spend all his time doing that.

3,253 posted on 09/14/2011 11:17:28 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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