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To: Not gonna take it anymore; smvoice
God draws us to Him. We are saved by grace and baptism washes away our sin.

Nope. It's only the shedding of blood that cleanses us from sin. Getting wet doesn't do that. All baptism is is an outward profession of the inward act of grace through faith that the believer experienced.

Jesus said, *I am the way, the truth, the life. No man comes to the Father but through me.*

If righteousness could be gained through the Law (works) then Christ died for nothing.

2,961 posted on 09/12/2011 7:43:20 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

We are in the New Covenant aren’t we?

Baptism replaces circumcision from the Old Covenant.

Which is why Catholics baptize babies.


2,963 posted on 09/12/2011 7:53:59 AM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore
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To: metmom
"Nope. It's only the shedding of blood that cleanses us from sin."

Nope, the shedding of blood is for atonement. Water is necessary for cleansing. Jesus and His disciples were baptized in the River Jordan, not pools of blood. Ritualistic washing (Ablution) is well established throughout the Old and New Testaments.

St. John Chrysostom (A.D. 347-407) taoght on this subject: If any enquire, "Why is water included?" let us also in return ask, "Wherefore was earth employed at the beginning in the creation of man?" for that it was possible for God to make man without earth, is quite plain to every one. Be not then over-curious. That the need of water is absolute and indispensable, you may learn in this way. On one occasion, when the Spirit had flown down before the water was applied, the Apostle did not stay at this point, but, as though the water were necessary and not superfluous, observe what he says; "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?" (Acts 10:47). Scritpure too is filed with many calls for water Baptism.

"Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you." - Ezekiel 36:25

"As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch *said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” [And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”] And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him." - Acts 8:36-38

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" - John 3:3-5

2,967 posted on 09/12/2011 8:35:35 AM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: metmom
Nope. It's only the shedding of blood that cleanses us from sin. Getting wet doesn't do that.

So when the Bible says baptism for the remission of sins by Jesus, Paul and Peter, it really doesn't say it, in the same way that some people say that Jesus really didn't have anything to do with true, alcoholic wine.

Is it simply pride that keeps self-decribed Christians away from the true Faith?

3,120 posted on 09/13/2011 6:01:25 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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