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To: Jvette
>>Here Paul is telling them that they should not go beyond what is written is trying to aggrandize themselves. To make as if they know something others don’t in an effort to bring themselves glory.<<

Sort of like the RCC and the bodily assumption of Mary and putting Mary in a position between us and Jesus rather then what Jesus clearly stated that “no one goes to the Father but by Him?

>>Do you believe that when one dies and they have believed in Jesus their soul is in heaven?<<

“I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith, so that through my being with you again your joy in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me.” (Phil. 1:20-26)

2 Corinthians 5:6 Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord— 7for we walk by faith, not by sight— 8we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord. >>Catholics believe that Jesus has taken His Mother to be with Him there.<<

So it’s deemed important to record in scripture the ascension of both Enoch and Elijah as well as Christ but didn’t see necessary to record the assumption of Mary who by Catholic doctrine is so important that she is claimed to be “the Queen of Heaven”? And that omission by the church that Catholics say is completely and totally responsible for scripture as we know it today. Hmmmmm!

>>Many have thought they knew it and been wrong. Jesus says no one knows but the Father.<<

Both Daniel and Revelation tell us of the last 3 ½ years of the tribulation. From the time the Anti Christ steps into the Temple and stops the sacrifice and declares himself to be god there will be 1290 days to the day that Jesus will step in to destroy the Anti Christ and his armies. That is when Christ will return to this earth.

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

If the people on earth have been told and know from scripture exactly how many days it will be between the two events the statement “no one knows the hour or the day” must be referring to something other then the exact day Jesus will return to this earth.

2,333 posted on 09/09/2011 10:32:10 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

I will have to get back to later on the rest, as I am off to work.

Have a great and blessed day, CB.


2,342 posted on 09/09/2011 10:58:49 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: CynicalBear

Jesus is specifically speaking of His coming in glory.

One may try to know this by studying Revelations, but Jesus says there will be wars and rumors of wars, and all manner of bad things happening.

In every age since He ascended, men and women have tried to predict His return.

All I know is that if it happens when I am alive, I’ll know then.

The Church does not declare this about Mary to aggrandize itself or to put her between Jesus and us as some type of obstacle. Rather she is, as I said before, the first and most perfect disciple who’s very life draws us to her Son because in her we see the fulfillment of the promises that God has made to us through the son, Jesus.

The doctrine of Mary’s Assumption was formally declared at the request of thousands of clergy and millions of the faithful. It was a part of the Deposit Faith for centuries though the doctrine had not been declared.

In the Greek Orthodox Church it is celebrated as the Dormition of Mary or Theotokos, God bearer.

The feast day for the assumption has been August 15th for over a thousand years and is celebrated by Christians throughout the universal Church among all of the various
Rites.

Though not explicitly stated in Scripture, which means nothing more than that Mary had not died before the last of the original texts, excluding Revelations had been written.

It is believed that she died, or as the Greek believe, fell asleep in Ephesus where she lived with John or in Jerusalem.

There is not one city or holy place in the world which claims to have her remains, though the veneration of the remains of martyrs and saints has been evident from the earliest days of the Church.

As I said in another post, in light of the fact that from Scripture we know for sure that there have been humans which God has taken body and soul to be with Him in heaven, it is not unScriptural nor does it contradict Scripture to believe that Jesus has done this for Mary. The woman who carried him in His womb and who followed Him to the cross and who was with the Apostles when the Holy Spirit came upon them on Pentecost.

Those who protest this claim they do so out of love for us and fear for our souls. Hogwash.


2,437 posted on 09/09/2011 8:24:19 PM PDT by Jvette
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