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To: Jvette
No I do not really and truly believe that Catholics are just mindless zombie shills for the Catholic Church.

I believe that in this present evil age, Catholics have been blinded to the truth that is in the gospel of their salvation. I believe that they have been deceived by the prince of the power of the air, and their only hope is trusting in the finished work of Christ for their salvation. Satan seeks to destroy and there are none more vulnerable than those who are not firmly grounded in God's word. Not God's word plus man's explanation of what God really meant to say. Deceivers are everywhere and they, like Satan, can transform themselves into angels of light, whose end shall be according to their works. Knowing that a man is not justified by works, these people are lost. If you are in a church who tells you works are part of your salvation process, then you know you can never be saved by those works, only judged. My works, or Christ's finished work on my behalf. Those are the only two choices. God Bless.

2,324 posted on 09/09/2011 9:52:16 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice

If you are in a church who tells you works are part of your salvation process, then you know you can never be saved by those works, only judged. My works, or Christ’s finished work on my behalf.

Works are a part of our faith, they are evidence before the Lord and our brothers and sisters that our faith is true and not lip service. All works done in name of Jesus, glorify Him and adds to our treasure in heaven.

From the Gospel of John 8:

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Jesus says believe me for the works’ sake.

At the very least, your post shows a misunderstanding of the Catholic faith regarding faith and works. It is a common one, and sadly, one among many.


2,334 posted on 09/09/2011 10:41:44 AM PDT by Jvette
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