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To: metmom; smvoice
"For the believer, Scripture is canon and creed. Since we have Scripture, we don't need any statement of faith from a church to dictate our beliefs."

I find amazing that some, who reject the the tenets of the Nicene Creed, in whole or in part, claim that the Canon of Scripture is independent of it. The Nicene Creed was issued in 325 AD. The earliest extant list of the books of the NT, in exactly the number and order in which we presently have them, wasn't written until until 42 years later when it was done by Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, in his Easter letter of 367 AD.

The Nicene Creed is significant because was used as the standard of orthodoxy for the selection of which of the contemporaneous writings not selected for inclusion in the Bible. Additionally, the Council of Nicene issue a number of canons or rules governing the Church that are hotly contested on these threads daily. These include priestly celibacy, the legitimacy of the traditions of the Church and Paulianist heretic.

229 posted on 09/04/2011 5:32:47 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law

Scripture was written when the apostles were still alive, not three centuries later.

Peter even recognized that Paul’s writings were Scripture while he and Paul were alive.

Scripture was preserved by God, not some council of men. It was preserved in spite of any decisions of men, not because of them.


233 posted on 09/04/2011 5:37:12 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law; metmom
Wouldn't the Nicene Creed be equally significant in the fact that is was SILENT concerning the Assumption of Mary as a fundamental belief of the Roman Catholic Church? And what about the belief that the Apocrypha were inspired? The Apocryphal books were not a part of the ancient versions of Scripture. They were first added after 300 A.D. But the Laodicean Council rejected them in 363 as being uninspired. The Vatican Version of Scripture of the 4th century. The Council of Trent accepted 6 of the Apocryphal books as inspired and added them to their modern versions of Scripture.

So, just how does canon and creed work, again? 300 years after the facts is a long time for corruption of the word to set in and become doctrine. Thank God He preserved His word as He promised He would.

246 posted on 09/04/2011 6:14:44 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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