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To: stfassisi; smvoice; Mad Dawg
We are not saying that Mary and Jesus are two Co-redeemers but Jesus is the Redeemer and Mary is the Co-redeemer.

What utter blasphemy !

Deuteronomy 16: 21 “You shall not plant for yourself an Asherah of any kind
of tree beside the altar of YHvH your God, which you shall make for yourself.

Asherah from wiki:

The Book of Jeremiah written circa 628 BCE possibly refers to Asherah
when it uses the title "queen of heaven" (Hebrew: לִמְלֶכֶת הַשָּׁמַיִם‎) in Jer 7:18
and Jer 44:17–19, 25.
(For a discussion of "queen of heaven" in the Hebrew Bible, see Queen of heaven.)
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

2,019 posted on 09/08/2011 1:28:56 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; marbren; Mad Dawg; smvoice

“”What utter blasphemy !””

NO IT’S NOT!

A good friend of mine pointed out a good analysis by Fr. Peter Fehlner.

http://airmaria.com/events/FatimaCoRdmpt-2007/OpeningAddress.asp

Fr. Peter Fehlner states

“The first error has been circulating for centuries in the West and may be summarized with a certain degree of accuracy under the shiboleth: Christus solus . There is only one Mediator (I Tim 2: 5) and any attempt to link anyone else with Him as Mediator is an attack on a genuine notion of expiation for sin and reconciliation with God. In its extreme form it is met in the old Calvinism, still very much alive, but in disguise, as liberation theology (Marxism, patripassianism, etc). The give away is some form of metaphysical dualism attributing to the redeemed such corruption as to be unable to function salvifically. Only God in suffering can redeem, and this by substituting himself in our place and enduring what we could neither endure physically or accomplish ethically. The Christus solus theory to be consistent must reject any form of vicarious satisfaction by a man who merits or satisfies for others de condigno as mere legalism, and hence who can make it possible for others to be associated with Him in this work, above all uniquely one who is Immaculate, without ever having fallen “under the law” (Gal 4: 4) and so redeemed preservatively, and who makes it possible for others to cooperate through her mediation (under and with Christ).

And followed up with...

Hedonism and the error that suffering has no redemptive value, that we can not participate in the sufferings of Christ because he has done it all, Christus Solus. I challenge you to find any heresy greater and more wide spread and causing more damage than this stigma against suffering, the unwillingness to take up one’s cross. Nothing “fuzzy” about this, nor anything more central to Christianity, especially in our times.


2,021 posted on 09/08/2011 1:33:02 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Asherah

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

2,022 posted on 09/08/2011 1:34:11 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

What is happening here, Uri’el-2012 is that RCCs are giving different meanings to “co”. Now it becomes “with” but not “equal to”. It just never ends, the changing of meanings to hinder being hoisted on their own petard. Once we pointed out that Mary was taught in the RCC to be a co-redeemer with Christ, suddenly it became she was not equal to Him but with Him. Evidently words mean something until they are no longer useful. Or some other such nonsense.


2,030 posted on 09/08/2011 1:58:30 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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