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If God is no respecter of person but somehow it's OK for marbren to discuss other's fruits and then draw others in to discuss it also?

Luther was persecuted for his faith by an organization. As long as they could control him, he was fine. So in your rush to compare - it seems it's your fruit that is obvious here.

And Paul, Stephen, John the Baptist and many others were persecuted for spreading the gospel in the Name of JESUS - and all on the direction of God Himself for It is Written.

It's not wise to act so foolishly. And, BTW, God's Word is THE FINAL AUTHORITY.

[marbren]

If God is no respecter of person but somehow it's OK for marbren to discuss other's fruits and then draw others in to discuss it also?

I was talking about a tree being known by its fruit. I am also talking about public figures with a record. IOW, for instance, Obama has no fruit. To me Mother Teresa model is one of repentance with surrender and Martin Luther model is one of reformation and common sense. I am not saying God did not call Martin and use him mightily.

After the main surrendered to the Father's will model of The Lord Jesus Christ, I think the Bible stories about hero's of faith or not are there as guides for us. Samuel was about the most surrendered for his whole life. At the end He was frustrated about Israel not understanding His message. St.Paul arrived there though his experiences. Joseph is a neat model. etc.

JPII is interesting. He was definitely a politician to begin with but His Faith model during his Parkinson's was incredible. A wonderful example of what the Apostle Paul is saying when God says my grace is sufficient.