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To: Avalon Hussar

The objection to Mary sharing in redemptive work is, IMHO, in the same “family” as the objection to Paul’s making up what is lacking in the sufferings of Christ

There is nothing lacking, and how could a sinner make it up if there were? Yet here we have the text.

So, I think the answer to one is likely to be in the same family as the answer to the other.

And, as I have said so many times on this thread that I’m afraid of being ridiculous, the answer is that it is not just Mary or just Paul. It is them in Christ, and Christ in them.

This is at least 5,000 word paper stuff, which is why I end up being so elliptical.


1,125 posted on 09/06/2011 10:38:57 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
The objection to Mary sharing in redemptive work is, IMHO, in the same “family” as the objection to Paul’s making up what is lacking in the sufferings of Christ There is nothing lacking, and how could a sinner make it up if there were? Yet here we have the text. So, I think the answer to one is likely to be in the same family as the answer to the other. And, as I have said so many times on this thread that I’m afraid of being ridiculous, the answer is that it is not just Mary or just Paul. It is them in Christ, and Christ in them. This is at least 5,000 word paper stuff, which is why I end up being so elliptical.

Ah, I think I understand now what you're getting at here. To be honest, I need to pray and seek God's guidance on this as I've never read this passage with Mary in mind before but my initial reaction would be that Paul's making up for the lack of Christ's sufferings, even with the understanding of "not I, but Christ" is not in the same league as Christ's Redemption of Mankind. Similar in some respects, yes, and maybe even in the same "family" but I hope you'll understand my extreme caution in not wanting to attribute any kind of honor for Redemption to anyone other than Christ. My redemption and the honor, glory and worship due to my Redeemer is not something that I monkey around with lightly. I'm more than glad to honor Mary for being the earthly Mother of Christ, but this is a whole different level.

1,148 posted on 09/06/2011 11:13:06 AM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: Mad Dawg

This is at least 5,000 word paper stuff, which is why I end up being so elliptical.


And on a different tangent . . .

Elliptical pool tables are fun.


1,224 posted on 09/06/2011 12:44:05 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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