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>>Please quote my exact words for which you are taking me to task.<<

Your contention that you rely on your “teachers” as opposed to those of us who rely on scripture for proof of correctness of teachers.

>>And then it would be the teachers who would provide the hermeneutic.<<

>>The Catholic Church has no faulty teaching, though it has some pretty badly expressed teaching.<<

>>So one COULD view the "reliance" on the catechism and the hermeneutic proposed by the Catholic Church as obedience to Scripture, since we who approach things that way are acknowledging the student role Paul says we have.<<

I simply asked you to show where your “teachers” are correct scripturally on the assumption of Mary and asking those not living to pray for you.

You have not, nor can you, show from scripture that what those “teachers” teach can be proven by scripture as we are told we need to show.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Now please provide the scripture for the proof of the assumption of Mary and asking dead people to pray for you so that I can “search the scriptures” to show that “those things were so”.