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To: Natural Law; Iscool
It's our Church and our lexicon.

Yeah. We had it first.

It is true that when one approaches the study of Catholic teaching one is coming late to a conversation of, in some sense, almost 2,000 years duration.

Consequently, just as any group engaged in the same enterprise develops its own jargon, Catholic teaching has developed a vocabulary which may seem opaque or arbitrary to those who left the conversation almost half a thousand years ago.

1,000 posted on 09/06/2011 1:23:58 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
. . . .Catholic teaching has developed a vocabulary which may seem opaque or arbitrary . . .

Nope. It comes across much MORE as hugely PRISSY, sanctimoniously, exclusionistly, BRAZENLY ARROGANT, mostly.

1,034 posted on 09/06/2011 6:56:35 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Mad Dawg; Amityschild; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Lera; marbren; navygal; Outership; roamer_1; ..
It's like saying . . .

WE OF THE VATICAN MAGICSTERICAL ELITE CHOOSE TO BE STUCK BACK IN 1600 YEAR OLD VOCABULARY. IF you wish to rise to our lofty levels, you'll familiarize yourselves with our DAFFYNITIONARY and use it faithfully . . . or be considered the smelly unwashed outside the fold and certainly uninitiated in the finer, loftier levels and practices of the truly truest truly true truly magicsterical levels of the holiest of holies.

What a stench. Go ahead and fling your special vocabulary far and wide. Go ahead and cheekily--in typical RC !!!DEMANDING!!! style and attitude, !!!DEMAND!!! that Proddys, pagans and all the ships at sea comply with or at least instantly understand such exclusionist vocabulary.

It CERTAINLY does !NOT! come across as a fruit of Holy Spirit. It comes across as a very arrogant and very deliberate tool to maintain the boundaries of just who is in the IN-GROUP vs who is unwashed and outside the Vatican Mary-Ishtar-Goddess fold.

I think using it shoots y'all's system in the foot all the time.

Oh, sure, there are groveling sheeple who'll aspire to be SOOOOO RIGHTEOUS as to be able to use such exclusionist vocabulary. There always are.

Most just see it as haughty and prissy and walk on by shaking their heads.

. . . .Catholic teaching has developed a vocabulary which may seem opaque or arbitrary . . .

Nope. It comes across much MORE as hugely PRISSY, sanctimoniously, exclusionistly, BRAZENLY ARROGANT, mostly.

1,035 posted on 09/06/2011 6:56:43 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Mad Dawg
Consequently, just as any group engaged in the same enterprise develops its own jargon, Catholic teaching has developed a vocabulary which may seem opaque or arbitrary to those who left the conversation almost half a thousand years ago.

But it seems co-redeemer was a fairly modern fabrication...

Redeemer is an English word...Co is also an English word...So we know what co-redeemer means...If you guys want to say that co is a Latin word, you should use the Latin word for Redeemer to avoid obvious confusion, or delusion...

I wouldn't want to guess how many Catholics who don't study the bible, who don't know a lick of Latin go away from your Masses hearing Mary, co-redeeme rand actually thinking Mary is an equal redeemer along with Jesus??? I'll bet the number is staggering...

1,203 posted on 09/06/2011 12:26:05 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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