Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...
That lie has been told for 500+ years and it still isn't true. What do you think your contributions to it's propagation will accomplish.
It did not matter it in a foreign language
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
unknown to all except the gnostics.
Thank You smvoice, Now let's say a christian is Jewish, Is it Okay for them to follow their Jewish traditions? There is always a remnant. I for one would want them to. We could learn so much, especially in these end times we are in. Martin Luther taught no. I suppose the Pope would require them to go to mass. This is why Martin Luther was so bitter. His expectations were not met.
It was a comment, not an objection.
I understood you to say the quote from 1 Timothy 3:16 was from the RSV "NOT a Catholic translation". In fact the quote was from the KJV.
The RSV and Ignatius Edition RSV quotations are identical, while the KJV and Douay Rheims quotations are nearly identical. Not critical to the discussion my friend, simply a gentle correction of fact.
Ok, so technically they only prohibited reading scripture apart from the teaching authority of the Church. They insisted on being the ones to give out “what it meant”. Sort of like the assumption of Mary. Oy.
Believe me I have been corrected several times when I relied on others and/or my faulty memory for facts. :-)
Thank the Biblical text search features for those examples. They certainly weren't pulled from my memory.
Nor is there unity within the Catholic church. For all the Catholic criticism of Protestantism for differing *interpretations* etc, Catholicism is no better.
There is no unity within Catholicism. Catholics are in no position to point fingers.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2678253/posts?page=357#357
(Courtesy ping to rogator for referencing a comment of his.)
“Catholics look on diocesan bishops (Catholic and Orthodox) as the successors of the apostles who founded the particular church of their locale. In this manner a person could be a member of the Church of Corinth, Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Tucson or Pittsburgh.
Those of us who prefer Roman Catholic (actually Latin Catholic) are emphasizing our connection with the Roman Pontiff rather than the (e.g.) Maronite or the Melkite Patriarch.
Emphasizing the connection with the particular church rather than the Roman Church is IME common among very liberal Catholics and liberal bishops, many of whom actually see Roman Catholic as a derogatory term.”
******************************************************************************
Not to mention the different flavors of Catholicism such as.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sect
Sects
Roman Catholic sects
There are many groups outside the Roman Catholic Church which are regarded as Catholic sects, such as the Community of the Lady of All Nations, the Palmarian Catholic Church, the Philippine Independent Church, the Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church, the Free Catholic Church, the Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God, and others.
The Sodalitium Christianae Vitae started in Lima, Peru, has multiple cases of psychological abuses experienced by youth that were attracted to the movement.[16]
There is also Russian orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, Ukrainian Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Coptic (Egyptian) to name a few more.
They most certainly do not adhere to the doctrinal position established by Rome on a number of fronts which many FRoman Catholics consider critical to Catholic faith.
Heretic!
Ooops, sorry about the knee jerk reaction......
:)
How about Vatican City Catholics?
Or Babylon Catholics?
I guess for Catholics it’s YOPIOCCC.
Maybe religion is a problem. What if the age of denominations is about to end? What if the church building time is coming to an end? No more budgets and council meetings and heating bills and roof repairs. Maybe house churches are coming. Unity in smaller groups, especially when persecution comes.
This is just my opinion. But I believe that if they are following their Jewish traditions showing that those traditions all lead to Christ and thus their salvation, that would be beautiful. If they are following their traditions for works for righteousness, well, they wouldn’t be saved anyway. Knowing and accepting Christ’s finished work as their righteousness and Savior is what saved them and put them into the Body of Christ where there is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, bond nor free. It would be a wonderful lesson for their children to grow up knowing those traditions that were fulfilled in Christ. But like I said, IMHO, only.
Regards:
smvoice
BTW it is easy for me to talk about since my Pastor and group have already gone through the purge. We were kicked out about 5 years ago. It has been wonderful! I used to be the treasurer for 6 years. Not one dime of church money was spent without my approval. Whoever has the checkbook is IN CONTROL! They were heady times. LOL.
LOL! I think you’re on to something with that! YOPIOCCC. It’s the truth, whether it’s admitted to or not.
To me replacement theology is like the circumcision party in reverse. Christians forcing Jews to give up traditions that point to Christ. Have you ever experienced the symbolism of Christ in the Passover Seder? We could and do learn much from Jewish Christians.
Would you care to restate that in English? Your insistance on style over substance in your postings is obstructing whatever point it is you were trying to make.
(That's okay, I'm entirely at home here...)
I quoted "Great is the mystery of our religion" from memory in answer to someone saying there was only one use of"mystery" in the NT.
My contender said the word was not used in that verse.
I went to http://www.biblegateway.com and found that they say that the KJV says: ... great is the mystery of godliness:...
They present the Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA) as: great is the mystery of godliness,...
biblegateway doesn't seem to have an RSV. And mine is packed up.
But after much Googling and gnashing of teeth I find
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of our religion:.... here
AMEN, marbren. AMEN!
BTW: what is the Latin word for fertilizer?
Recasting the lie in different words does not change the fact that it is still a lie. The only limitations on reading the bible were illiteracy and the extreme expense of hand copied Bibles. Heretical works and unauthorized translations with unauthorized marginal glosses were indeed prohibited, as would the Book of Mormon and Watch Tower editions have been had they been available at the time.
Jean Calvin
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.