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To: CynicalBear; MarkBsnr; Natural Law; Kolokotronis

“”Thinking that Israel has been replaced gives rise to multiple problems doesn’t it””

Thinking that Israel is Divine leads to worse

Here is a good example of that from
http://catholicknight.blogspot.com/2011/01/catholic-church-is-israel.html
Today a new kind of persecution of the Church is going on, and it’s rooted in the fallacy of Dispensationalism. This fallacy leads to the worst form of anti-Catholicism, as is evidenced by the volumes of anti-Catholic writings produced by Dispensationalist authors. While in some cases, Dispensationalism actually causes Christians to support some very unChristian things - such as Zionism and Judaizing for example. Let’s not beat around the bush here. Dispensational theology is physically harming Christians! How? This is how it works. Dispensationalism leads Christians to support Zionism. Zionism in turn leads to the blind support of the Nation of Israel and all it’s policies, regardless of their effect. Many of those policies are directed against the Palestinian people, regardless of their religion, and many of those Palestinian people are Christians. Those Palestinian Christians suffer poverty and physical infirmity because of those policies. The strange irony of our time is that many Christians in the West, (mainly Evangelical Dispensationalists), are blindly supporting a regime that is directly persecuting their Christian brethren (Palestinian Christians) in the very homeland of Jesus Christ, and they do this thinking Jesus somehow approves. The strange irony is that while St. Paul instructed Western Christians to take up collections to help Palestinian Christians during his time, Dispensationalist pastors actively take up collections to support a regime that persecutes them in our time. Dispensationalism is a fallacy that must be resisted, but this can only be effectively done by knowing and understanding the place of the Church as the new “Israel of God.” This is what the New Testament teaches. It is not “replacement theology” as some have incorrectly labeled it. This is authentic “olive tree ecclesiology”


941 posted on 08/25/2011 1:51:08 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi
Having lived and worked in Israel I can attest to the absolute prejudice and bias present in segments of the Israeli society. Within Israel there exists a caste system that has the following hierarchy:

1) Holocaust Survivors
2) Veterans of the War of Independence
3) Indigenous and middle eastern Jews
4) Eastern European Jews
5) American and Western European Jews
6) Russian Jews
7) Jews who have married non-Jews
8) Americans and non-German European Christians.
9) Arab Christians
10) tie - Ethiopian Jews and German Christians

947 posted on 08/25/2011 2:17:22 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: stfassisi

Terminally WRONG AGAIN.

It is not Israel per se that is Divine.

It is GOD’S CHOOSING OF ISRAEL AS HIS PARTICULARLY CHOSEN INHERITANCE

THAT IS BY DEFINITION

DIVINE.

Disagree?

Take it up with Almighty God.

HE has indicated that as long as there are sun, moon, stars, HIS CHERISHING ISRAEL WILL NOT CEASE.


951 posted on 08/25/2011 2:57:32 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: stfassisi; MarkBsnr; Natural Law; Kolokotronis
Deuteronomy 7:6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

What does everlasting mean to the replacementatians? It must mean everlasting unless …… blah blah blah.

Does Israel have a right to the land?

Genesis 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

1 Chronicles 16:14-18 "He is The Lord our God; His judgments are in all the earth. He is mindful of His covenant for ever, of the word that He commanded, for a thousand generations, the covenant which He made with Abraham, His sworn promise to Isaac, which He confirmed as a statute to Jacob, as an everlasting covenant to Israel, saying, "To you I will give the land of Canaan, as your portion for an inheritance."

Rom 11:25 "I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in."

Separating the fate of Israel and the Gentiles. (ie the church) A distinct difference of peoples.

Ezek 39:28 "Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind."

The Gentile church did not replace the people of Israel. God is not gathering the church back to “their own land”.

Even when the Israelites disobeyed God (as they very often did), and He punished them for it by sometimes sending them into exile, they always came back, according to God's Will, whether it was in the ancient time of the return from the Babylonian exile, or the establishment of the modern-day state of Israel (primarily by the people of Judah, one of the twelve tribes) in 1948 or the yet future greater return. And, every time, the same warning applied, and applies - God commanded the Israelites to take what was theirs, the land of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (not the land of "Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael”), all of it (no "West Banks" or "East Jerusalems" etc.), without compromise, or suffer terrorist attacks and political mayhem within their own God-commanded borders from people who had no God-given lawful right to be there.

Replacementarians somehow want us to believe that God Himself got a divorce from Israel.

952 posted on 08/25/2011 2:57:32 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: stfassisi
Thinking that Israel is Divine leads to worse

Israel is not divine. God's Word is divine.

957 posted on 08/25/2011 3:21:35 PM PDT by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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