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To: Quix

Kenneth Hagin.


This guy and many other so called leaders are some of the worst of the bunch, but even more troubling is the masses of undiscerning ignoramuses who blindly follow him and don’t search out the Scriptures for themselves.


1,187 posted on 08/27/2011 10:44:20 AM PDT by Amerikan_Samurai
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

NOPE.

Hagin himself was rather close to being strictly Biblical.

He may have overemphasized here and there but mostly he was strictly Biblical. I’ve listened to many many dozens of hours of his stuff.

Kenneth Copeland is probably his healthiest disciple.

I wouldn’t give much for Hagin’s son nor the bulk of the rest of the ‘disciples.’

Lots of things get twisted and distorted the 2nd generation.

Look at the RCC on that score!

SCRIPTURE IS SCRIPTURE. GOD’S WORD MEANS WHAT IT SAYS.

At some point, folks are not arguing with Hagin but with Scripture.

Yeah, the pack has over-emphasized stuff here and there.

Nevertheless, the BIBLE SAYS SUCH THINGS RATHER PLAINLY AND STARKLY. And folks who don’t fulfill their side of it can’t expect to get the results God says the should get.

Further—there is no pat formula that will work in all cases.

Further—God does His own thing with individuals on occasion as Job illustrates.


1,195 posted on 08/27/2011 11:14:04 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

You may forget that

GOD HONORED HAGIN’S FAITH AND HAGIN’S BIBLICAL UNDERSTANDING

raising Hagin up from the deathbed himself

as well as blessing 10’s of thousands through his ministry with

HOLY SPIRIT SIGNS FOLLOWING.

THOSE PEOPLE will NEVER be convinced that Hagin was anything but a man of God.

THOSE WITH AN EXPERIENCE ARE NEVER AT THE MERCY OF THOSE WITH MERELY AN OPINION.


1,196 posted on 08/27/2011 11:14:14 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

3 John 1:2

is STILL GOD’S UNALTERABLE, THOROUGHLY TRUE, THOROUGHLY APPLICABLE WORD:

New International Version (©1984)
Dear friend, I pray that you may enjoy good health and that all may go well with you, even as your soul is getting along well.
New Living Translation (©2007)
Dear friend, I hope all is well with you and that you are as healthy in body as you are strong in spirit.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Beloved, I pray that all may go well with you and that you may be in good health, as it goes well with your soul.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Beloved, I pray that in all respects you may prosper and be in good health, just as your soul prospers.

International Standard Version (©2008)
Dear friend, I pray that you are doing well in every way and that you are healthy, just as your soul is healthy.

GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Dear friend, I know that you are spiritually well. I pray that you’re doing well in every other way and that you’re healthy.

King James Bible
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

American King James Version
Beloved, I wish above all things that you may prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers.

American Standard Version
Beloved, I pray that in all things thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Bible in Basic English
My loved one, it is my prayer that you may do well in all things, and be healthy in body, even as your soul does well.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Dearly beloved, concerning all things I make it my prayer that thou mayest proceed prosperously, and fare well as thy soul doth prosperously.

Darby Bible Translation
Beloved, I desire that in all things thou shouldest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospers.

English Revised Version
Beloved, I pray that in all things thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Webster’s Bible Translation
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Weymouth New Testament
My dear friend, I pray that you may in all respects prosper and enjoy good health, just as your soul already prospers.

World English Bible
Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in all things and be healthy, even as your soul prospers.

Young’s Literal Translation
beloved, concerning all things I desire thee to prosper, and to be in health, even as thy soul doth prosper,


The caveat, of course, is:

even AS your SOUL prospers.

Most folks have lots of unfitting fantasies about how their souls is prospering . . . and pretend that God’s perspective on that is the same as their’s.

“Hagin 11:24” (Mark 11:24) IS also STILL TRUE:

New International Version (©1984)
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
New Living Translation (©2007)
I tell you, you can pray for anything, and if you believe that you’ve received it, it will be yours.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
“Therefore I say to you, all things for which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them, and they will be granted you.

International Standard Version (©2008)
That is why I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it and it will be yours.

GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
That’s why I tell you to have faith that you have already received whatever you pray for, and it will be yours.

King James Bible
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

American King James Version
Therefore I say to you, What things soever you desire, when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you shall have them.

American Standard Version
Therefore I say unto you, All things whatsoever ye pray and ask for, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Bible in Basic English
For this reason I say to you, Whatever you make a request for in prayer, have faith that it has been given to you, and you will have it.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Therefore I say unto you, all things, whatsoever you ask when ye pray, believe that you shall receive; and they shall come unto you.

Darby Bible Translation
For this reason I say to you, All things whatsoever ye pray for and ask, believe that ye receive it, and it shall come to pass for you.

English Revised Version
Therefore I say unto you, All things whatsoever ye pray and ask for, believe that ye have received them, and ye shall have them.

Webster’s Bible Translation
Therefore I say to you, Whatever things ye desire when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Weymouth New Testament
That is why I tell you, as to whatever you pray and make request for, if you believe that you have received it it shall be yours.

World English Bible
Therefore I tell you, all things whatever you pray and ask for, believe that you have received them, and you shall have them.

Young’s Literal Translation
Because of this I say to you, all whatever — praying — ye do ask, believe that ye receive, and it shall be to you.


Of course, one also needs to be praying according to God’s will [and not amiss on their unfitting wild-haired profligate selfishness], as another Scripture reminds.


1,200 posted on 08/27/2011 11:36:04 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

I agree with you. I’ve researched some of what they preach and believe and do not find it Biblically sound.

It puts those who don’t do it the way they say it should happen under judgment and condemnation. Been there, done that.

That’s why I have no use for much of Pentecostalism.

Does God heal? Of course. Sometimes miraculously and sometimes immediately and sometimes not.

But God has His purposes and He just could be working on something more important than our immediate personal happiness.

I don’t recall anywhere in Scripture that Job was told of the purpose of his suffering. The man born blind was still blind for years. Lazarus died before Jesus showed up. The man healed by the Gate Beautiful had been crippled for life. You think Jesus might not have walked by him countless times on his trips to and from the Temple. Everyone in Acts knew who he was. I kind of think Jesus, having been a local, knew too.

But it’s God’s timing and purposes. Not our petulant little demands for self=gratification and the easy way out.

Pentecostals are just as legalistic as the Baptists.


1,288 posted on 08/28/2011 2:13:48 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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