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To: metmom
The balance of New Testament scripture shows that Christians, yes we can lose it. He talks in The book of Revelation to the churches how He will spit them out and take their lampstead.

I think you know the verses by now that I would show you. How many times have you been here.

So you have a different opinion. Look the way I look at at it is what Jesus said. Whatever we ask in his name to the Father He will do. I ask for guidence in Christ here and for the next life to be with him. Always in Jesus to the Father. Amen=So Be It!!!

110 posted on 08/20/2011 11:45:39 AM PDT by johngrace (1 John 4)
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To: johngrace
Whatever we ask in his name to the Father He will do.

Jesus pleaded to God in the garden that the cup would be removed from Him.....God said NO.

116 posted on 08/20/2011 12:11:33 PM PDT by caww
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To: johngrace; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
The balance of New Testament scripture shows that Christians, yes we can lose it. He talks in The book of Revelation to the churches how He will spit them out and take their lampstead.

And where do those verses state that the individual Christians no longer have their salvation? True, those churches no longer exist, but that doesn't damn the individual Christians in them. That's a rather loose interpretation of those passages.

Salvation is a gift. It is freely given us for the asking by nothing more than God's mercy and desire to forgive. And He's going to renege just because once we're saved we continue to not live up to the standards He established?

He didn't let us not living up to His standard keep Him from doing everything in His power to save us in the beginning. He lived for us, He died for us, He calls us, He empowers us, He gives us the Holy Spirit, He determines the exact times and places where we live so that we will seek Him and perhaps reach out to Him and find Him, He convicts us of sin, righteousness, and judgment.

He does it all, short of making the final decision for us? And He's going to abandon us to hell because we don't live up to the standard He set?

NOBODY can live that kind of life. All our righteousness is as filthy rags in His sight.

The God who imparts the righteousness of Christ to us sees us as sinless as Christ when He looks at us. We are His beloved Bride? And he's going to throw us under the bus for what? Not going to mass Sunday morning? Giving into temptation on the spur of the moment?

Our lives may be somewhat righteous, just as the Pharisees were, but God looks at the heart. The human heart is deceitful above all else and desperately wicked. No one will ever make it according to Catholic doctrine.

That's why those of us who have thrown ourselves on the mercy of the court are sure of our salvation. God will not send His own children to hell for not being perfect. Otherwise heaven will be an awfully lonely place.

My children are my children regardless of what they do and nothing will ever keep me from loving them or cause me to disown them. They may break my heart some day by their behavior but I will not disown them.

134 posted on 08/20/2011 2:29:56 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: johngrace; MarkBsnr; Salvation; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; ...

Let me throw this out out for consideration.

Just what is it about Christians being confident of their salvation and sure of their security in Christ that bugs you so much?


135 posted on 08/20/2011 2:47:21 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: johngrace; MarkBsnr; Salvation; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; ...

Sorry, let me reword that. It’s to all Catholics.....

Let me throw this out out for consideration.

Just what is it about Christians being confident of their salvation and sure of their security in Christ that bugs Catholics so much?


136 posted on 08/20/2011 2:48:18 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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