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The Seal of Confession and The Virtue of Religion
The Hermeneutic of Continuity ^ | 8/17/11 | Fr. Tim Finnigan

Posted on 08/18/2011 7:18:16 AM PDT by marshmallow

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To: Campion
The one individual who is always wronged by our sins is God himself, and that is why he instituted the sacrament.

How can a sacrament possibly remove sin when only Christ himself was given that power?..it is a work done within us by His Spirit only and not something we can do to remove it's stain....Jesus said HE would make us whiter than snow...not some action on our part.

41 posted on 08/18/2011 10:42:35 PM PDT by caww
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To: Campion

Scripture calls believers... ‘the Body of Christ’....not a building or denomination.

“To the Church of God in Corinth...to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be Holy, ‘together’ with ALL those ‘everywhere’ who call on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ-their Lord and ours.” I Cor. 1:2

And this was to the Corinthian church in spite of the fact there were many errors Paul had to correct....he still recognized them as believers “sanctified” ...not because of any conduct of their own but because of their relationship to Christ. (Positionally sanctified).


42 posted on 08/18/2011 10:55:39 PM PDT by caww
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To: Campion
to teach 'authoritatively' in his name.

But we have His written word today as our source of authority to establish what is true and or falsehood. He gave to us so that we might always have a compass thru life...a standard in which to judge truth from falsehood. The Scriptures ARE His words to us and His authority.

43 posted on 08/18/2011 11:00:58 PM PDT by caww
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To: boatbums

You sent me to the dictionary on this article.

:)


44 posted on 08/19/2011 5:22:05 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Campion; boatbums
The Bible says, in several different places, that it's by faith and baptism, not faith alone. Do I need to quote chapter and verse?

Oh? Jesus death isn' t enough after all? We need to add our own works of righteousness to that to *help*?

If God's Law was inadequate to save, what makes anyone thing that any replacement law we decide on and establish is capable of saving?

The Bible also says that by faith alone we are justified in several different places. Which one is right then?

45 posted on 08/19/2011 5:25:55 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Campion; boatbums; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; caww; count-your-change; ...
The Bible says, in several different places, that it's by faith and baptism, not faith alone. Do I need to quote chapter and verse?

Oh? Jesus death isn' t enough after all? We need to add our own works of righteousness to that to *help*?

If God's Law was inadequate to save, what makes anyone think that any replacement law we decide on and establish is capable of saving?

The Bible also says that by faith alone we are justified in several different places. Which one is right then?

The big problem with that Catholic doctrine is that while the Catholic church teaches that faith and baptism are both needed to be saved, they really don't believe it because I've yet to meet one Catholic who has assurance of their salvation based on baptism. The Church continually adds conditions to be met for salvation to occur and in the end, the most committed Catholic still lies on their deathbed not being sure if they're going to make it. They won't find out *until they get there* as admitted by Catholics on this very forum.

46 posted on 08/19/2011 5:29:41 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Campion

The visible church is the people who comprise it.

Far as I recall, however, Scripture doesn’t make that distinction.

I can’t recall an instance in the Bible where the reference to the church was the reference to a building or denomination. It was to groups of believers in different cities.


47 posted on 08/19/2011 5:32:14 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: metmom
The big problem with that Catholic doctrine is that while the Catholic church teaches that faith and baptism are both needed to be saved, they really don't believe it because I've yet to meet one Catholic who has assurance of their salvation based on baptism. The Church continually adds conditions to be met for salvation to occur and in the end, the most committed Catholic still lies on their deathbed not being sure if they're going to make it. They won't find out *until they get there* as admitted by Catholics on this very forum.
Yes, there seem to be many versions of salvation I hear from Roman Catholics, "Just be a good person", "Faith and baptism", "Faith and works", "Baptism saves", "Faith and Love"....etc

A big problem I find is the definition of FAITH. For a RC, faith has a different meaning than what an evangelical understands by the term.

I believe RC faith consists of believing everything in the 4 Gospels, plus everything proposed for belief by the CC, including all the Marian, Papal and purgatory dogmas.

What an Evangelical means by Faith is Trusting wholly on the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus paid the penalty for sin belief/trust in Him for salvation is biblical Faith.

48 posted on 08/19/2011 6:30:36 AM PDT by bkaycee (Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.)
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To: Campion
The Bible says, in several different places, that it's by faith and baptism, not faith alone. Do I need to quote chapter and verse?
That is not altogether true as stated by the Roman church itself!

The so-called "Baptism of Desire" is sufficient. A person only needs the desire to be baptized if water baptism is not possible, correct?

49 posted on 08/19/2011 6:39:10 AM PDT by bkaycee (Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.)
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To: Quix
"You seem to have Quite accurate discernment and perceptions on the matter . . . imho."

Why, thank you. Always nice to receive a compliment.

50 posted on 08/19/2011 6:44:22 AM PDT by EN1 Sailor (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness)
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To: EN1 Sailor

Thanks for your kind reply.

Honor to whom honor is due . . . atheist or not! LOL.

I was an RM2 BTW . . . Step-Dad was an engineer on a destroyer in WWII. Blood dad was a corpsman.


51 posted on 08/19/2011 7:33:45 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: bkaycee

Galatians 2:20-21 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.


52 posted on 08/19/2011 8:05:09 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Campion; caww
>>Sorry, but saying that doesn't make it true.<<

The RCC trying to take the place of Christ doesn’t make it so either.

53 posted on 08/19/2011 8:29:36 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Quix
"I was an RM2 BTW . . . Step-Dad was an engineer on a destroyer in WWII. Blood dad was a corpsman."

Freakin' Dit Dah !! I was an A-Ganger (auxliliaries engineer) on 3 destroyers.

54 posted on 08/19/2011 9:05:56 AM PDT by EN1 Sailor (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness)
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To: EN1 Sailor

CONGRATS.

THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE.


55 posted on 08/19/2011 10:15:26 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom
They won't find out *until they get there* as admitted by Catholics on this very forum.

Hi Met --

Don't forget that ever-necessary "stop-over" in "Purgatory." According to what I've read here, that's where almost all will end up before Heaven...but, no one knows for how long...

:D

Great post, BTW.

Hoss

56 posted on 08/19/2011 10:16:06 AM PDT by HossB86 ( NOBODY admits to being a Calvinist unless they are one. I AM ONE.)
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To: Campion
Actually, I was specifically responding to caww's claim that "the Church is all those who are believers". Jesus founded a visible Church which would endure until the end of time to teach authoritatively in his name. It was a visible Church in Jerusalem on the first Pentecost; it's the same Church today. Scripture calls the Church the Body of Christ; Christ does not have an invisible, vague, or amorphous body.

Naw...A synagogue is visible...The church is spiritual...A Catholic church or a Baptist is not the church...It's a misnomer...The building is not the church...The building is where the church meets...And not all who go into the building are the church...

You religion has developed a bit of a problem...You guys claim that whoever is baptized a Catholic in a Catholic church by a Catholic priest becomes a Christian, a member of the Body of Christ...

But yet many of you guys cast your doubts upon some Catholics who have been baptized into your religion as to whether they are real Christians, or Catholics for that matter...

I'm thinkin some of you realize that not everyone who gets a Catholic baptism has become a Christian...

Only God knows who in one of your churches or any church is a real Christian...The phoneys are invisible to us...As well as the real Christians...

You have a visible organization but that is not the Body of Jesus Christ...There are no non Christians in the Body of Jesus Christ...

Church buildings are visible...The Vatican is very visible...The body of Christ is not visible...

You don't know if I am an actual Christian...And I don't know if you are an actual Christian...Only God knows...If I walked into your church, I couldn't possibly pick out the Christians...They are invisible...

57 posted on 08/19/2011 11:53:40 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: CynicalBear
The RCC trying to take the place of Christ doesn’t make it so either.

Isn't that the truth! or any other denomination for that matter. It's all about Christ and when you depart from Him to a building or the religion of choice you ost likely will get lost along the the way.

"Christ..the author and finisher of our faith."

58 posted on 08/19/2011 6:12:57 PM PDT by caww
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To: Iscool

Good post Iscool....point well made without a lot of unnecessary “fluff”.

“Church buildings are visible...The Vatican is very visible...The body of Christ is not visible...” Iscool.


59 posted on 08/19/2011 6:16:40 PM PDT by caww
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To: marshmallow
The Seal of Confession and The Virtue of Religion
First Confession Guide for Adults [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Examination of Conscience [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Examination of Conscience
Examination of Conscience
A Guide for Confession

Why Go to Confession? (Part 1) - Pastoral Letter of Archbishop Bruno Forte
Why Go to Confession? (Part 2) - Pastoral Letter of Archbishop Bruno Forte
How To Make a Good Confession (especially if you haven't gone in years)
Why Go to Confession? (Part 3) - Pastoral Letter of Archbishop Bruno Forte
Pulling Sin up by the Roots: The Need for Mortification
Reasons for Confession [Sacrament of Reconciliation]
Cardinal Stafford's Homily at Penitential Liturgy With an Examination of Conscience
How to Go to Confession
Fr. Z’s 20 Tips For Making A Good Confession
Learning to Confess

60 posted on 08/19/2011 7:55:37 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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