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To: Colofornian
Well I don't think it was the black man or the yellow man who tried to wipe out the Indians now was it?
90 posted on 08/17/2011 10:16:11 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953; Godzilla
Well I don't think it was the black man or the yellow man who tried to wipe out the Indians now was it?

This is where your historical ignorance & revisionism is showing. (Like I said, you better quit while you're still behind)

First of all, it wasn't all "kumbayah" amongst the Native American tribes. Before white men were in the U.S.; as White men began to populate the U.S.; and after they began to populate the U.S. in great numbers, the fact is that various Native American tribes persistently fought each other.

The Cheyenne were easily provoked in opposing other tribes.

The Comanches were less operative as one solid grouping or tribe--they operated more as "bands"; they drove out the Jumano Indians & the Pueblo Indians & some Apache Indians from the Southern Plains. The Catawba fought the Savannah; and the Catawba were known for fighting other tribes on behalf of the British.

The Fox Indians of Wisconsin rose up vs. the French (1712-1735); the Potawatomi tribe then fought vs. the Fox on behalf of the French.

The very word "Apache" = fighting men & they battled other tribes as well as the Spaniards well before white men: "They were always known as 'wild' Indians, and indeed their early warfare with all neighboring tribes as well as their recent persistent hostility toward our Government, which precipitated a 'war of extermination,' bear out the appropriateness of the designation." The first intruders were the Spanish, who penetrated Apache territory in the late 1500s...When New Mexico became a Spanish colony in 1598, hostilities increased between Spaniards and Apaches.
Source: APACHE TRIBAL NATION

If you're tracing "color wars" here, guitarplayer, that would mean that brown Apaches were fighting lighter brown Spanish in those years.

These border & south-of-the-border tribal clashes also took place in South America, as they did frequently in Africa, island communities and just about all regions.

I could go on and on listing such conflicts. Frankly it was because of both isolation and tribal diversity that Native Americans could not or would not often band together to oppose their enemies.

Btw, there were five tribes known as the "civilized" tribes & were peaceful toward other tribes & white men as well: Cherokee, Chickasaw; Chocktaw; Creek, and Seminole. So I would not count these tribes as being in the "same camp" as the others...they indeed were more solely victimized by white men alone.

One other thing: This same tribal-hostile reality occurs with slavery. It was often other West African tribes who would kidnap other tribesmen to sell them to the Portuguese or British, etc. into slavery for centuries. And for some centuries, the Muslims were far worse than "white men" in the operative slave trade. IOW, there was plenty of historical guilt to pile on ALL.

But go ahead, guitarplayer. I guess I interrupted your brow-beating racist tirade vs. ONLY (& all) white people. As far as I can tell from history, all colors of people groups have committed all sorts of trans-tribal atrocities. All people of each diverse group were not guilty of such acts; but all colors found contributors to mayhem in their midst.

It's the typical liberal approach to want to blame only "white privilege" and "white colonial imperialism"...By all means, blame away...what was done is hardly worth defending...But what I am saying is that the finger-pointing tends to be rather selective...which means they deliberately ignore and/or distort other histories so that only whites tend to be wearing the guilt badge.

Sounds to me guitarplayer that you specialized in music during your campus years much to the downfall of your history homework.

93 posted on 08/17/2011 10:55:31 PM PDT by Colofornian
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