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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
The point is this - that the Pope and all Catholics call and refer to all the 12 apostles as "Catholic" as inclusion into the Catholic church, but these 12 were Jewish believers in Christ, and universal believers in the same faith that Christ is Messiah and Lord and the Son of God.

You should direct your point to the Catholics: "the term Roman Catholic does not appear until the great schism, so Roman Catholics did not refer to themselves as Roman Catholics". By that same exact reasoning Roman Catholics cannot call first century Jewish followers of Christ and apostles of Christ as "Catholic" today.

24 posted on 07/27/2011 7:49:41 AM PDT by bibletruth
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To: bibletruth
By that same exact reasoning Roman Catholics cannot call first century Jewish followers of Christ and apostles of Christ as "Catholic" today.

The invention of a term to describe us by Anglicans in the 17th Century should restrain how we describe the Christians of the early church?

Why?

The term "Catholic" comes from the Greek "kata holon", "of the whole," or "universal". It's the church of the whole world, of the whole of humanity. The first recorded use of the term is in the writings of Ignatius of Antioch († AD 107), who called himself "the bishop of the Catholic Church in Syria".

28 posted on 07/27/2011 8:05:40 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: bibletruth
You should direct your point to the Catholics: "the term Roman Catholic does not appear until the great schism, so Roman Catholics did not refer to themselves as Roman Catholics". By that same exact reasoning Roman Catholics cannot call first century Jewish followers of Christ and apostles of Christ as "Catholic" today.

In the same way that no one called a phone a "hard line phone" until cellphones came along. Only after the great schism occurred did it become necessary to differentiate between eastern and western Catholics. There is no theological significance to it.

63 posted on 07/27/2011 9:17:28 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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