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To: MHGinTN
And I expect that now, since you’ve made such an absolute declaration that he did not see what he claims, that you will prove your assertion using a feasible argument?

The entire story is built on a faulty premise. The man claims to have been clinically dead for 21 minutes. During heart surgery, the heart is bypassed, but circulation to the brain still occurs, therefore he was not clinically dead.

Now, you may wish to accept the "dream" this man experienced while under anesthesia as a vision from God. I accept it for what it was - a dream.

Do I think some of what he says about heaven is probably true? Sure. But it isn't anything we haven't already heard from religious teachers or read in the bible. I assume he's listened to teachings and read the bible in the past, so it is no surprise these things popped up in his dream.

17 posted on 07/26/2011 8:23:43 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

Did you NOT read my post???? There are procedures in which flow to the brain is stopped!

Some people just think they know everything & are too stubborn to admit that they don’t.


18 posted on 07/26/2011 8:27:07 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: MEGoody

I have been under a couple of times, full anesthesia. I do not recall dreaming at all.

I am not really qualified to comment beyond that, but in my cases it was “here one second, black for a second, and then back.”

No visions, no dreams. Just woke up and I had stitches in my mouth and life was good again. Well, after a couple of weeks life was good...


20 posted on 07/26/2011 8:33:08 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I can't think of anything clever, so I'll just say, "Obama sucks.")
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To: MEGoody

I’m sorry to have to explain this to you, but science does not yet know exactly what is a dream. When the human braqin is dreaming, the human sou/spirit may be also ‘doing’ something which science has yet to even catch a flicker of. But of course, scientists have been taught/trained to ignore anything which they have not a measure or calculation for. That humans have yet to figure out a way to quantitize and then measure what is evident as now beyond science methodoogy does not mean that the soul/spirit does not exist in a reality which science has yet to address. Your explanation for your absolute is rejected. Now, I will accept that you expressed your opinion, as I am now only expressing my opinion. But you have not a shred to substantiate your absolute assertion.


22 posted on 07/26/2011 8:40:42 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MEGoody; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Vendome; Elsie

I’m sorry to have to explain this to you, but science does not yet know exactly what is a dream. When the human braqin is dreaming, the human sou/spirit may be also ‘doing’ something which science has yet to even catch a flicker of. But of course, scientists have been taught/trained to ignore anything which they have not a measure or calculation for. That humans have yet to figure out a way to quantitize and then measure what is evident as now beyond science methodoogy does not mean that the soul/spirit does not exist in a reality which science has yet to address. Your explanation for your absolute is rejected. Now, I will accept that you expressed your opinion, as I am now only expressing my opinion. But you have not a shred to substantiate your absolute assertion.


23 posted on 07/26/2011 8:41:08 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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