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To: hosepipe; presently no screen name; spirited irish; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; ...
Nice verses but as I was saying who and what are “you”?.. What are “you” that a Spirit can dwell in “it”?.. Does the Spirit dwell in flesh or spirit?..

I am all and yes.

The very fact that you even ask those questions reveals your total and complete lack of understanding of spiritual truth and reality, that you don't have a clue what being born again in the Biblical sense of the word means.

The problem is, you need to be born again GOD'S way, not by some philosophical construct based on alternate definitions of terms. Simply being *born again* as in the reformation or self-awareness that non-Christian philosophies espouse is NOT adequate to attain salvation.

105 posted on 07/25/2011 11:39:22 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: metmom

[ Simply being *born again* as in the reformation or self-awareness that non-Christian philosophies espouse is NOT adequate to attain salvation. ]

Like I’ve been saying.. born again is not a mental decision..
But it is a metaphorical Allusion to something else..

What is that something?.. is the sixty -four dollar question..
I see it as an identity change from one reality to another..
From a fleshly(temporal) worldview to another.. say an eternal worldview..

I’ve studied most major christian orthodox views.. and see problems with them all..
Nicodemus had a point.. how can you be born again?..
“Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit”- Jesus..

Are they both producing “matter”.. what does “birth” signify?..
-and/OR- is spiritual re-birth a matter of identity.. An identity change..

Before Jesus was born in the flesh, did God have flesh?..
Does God have flesh Now?.. Does God even need flesh?..
Flesh in the New Testament is portrayed in a negative fashion..
Flesh in the old testament(and the new) is metaphorically symbolized as “the WORM”..

The “worm” symbolizes metamorphosis.. so theres room for identity change..
maybe even actual change of form and/or identity.. a quale..
I see “darkly” thru illusion and allusion.. maybe you don’t

The qualia of being born again.. may not be mental or physical.. but spiritual..
Nobody (and I mean nobody) really knowing what the spirit/Spirit is, is left with faith..
Faith that it(born again experience) happened at all..

UNLESS it is just an identity change.. which is what was needed anyway..
You know; seeking after spiritual matters instead of fleshly pursuits.


106 posted on 07/25/2011 12:55:54 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: metmom; hosepipe; presently no screen name; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; Alamo-Girl; ...

“hosepipe: Theres no doubt about tho.. I am a heretic..”

Of all the spiritual foundations on which this nation was based, the mind/body dualism unique to Christian theism is of supreme importance, for on its basis, and its basis only arise our individual rights and freedoms, self-government, etc. As soon as we turn away from the living, transcendent Triune Creator, we unwittingly turn back to the only remaining “religion,”...nature. By any name, Buddhism, Hinduism, Gnosticism, materialism, Marxist Communism, evolutionism, Hermeticism, Theosophy, New Age, wicca, Liberal Christianity, etc.——all are constructs of nature religion, and therefore are variants of monism, discussed here in previous posts.

The America of the founding generation is fast disappearing for the reason that increasing numbers of Americans are, in the words of Hosepipe, heretics. Having rejected America’s founding faith they have either wittingly or unwittingly turned back to nature..to monism with its talk of collective consciousness, solidarity, army of one, ‘it takes a village,’ sustainability, green environmentalism, secularism, and egalitarianism (sameness).

America’s crisis is spiritual, for all of America’s increasing numbers of “heretics” cannot and will not support what they no longer believe in. Their souls have been taken captive by modernist ideologies and immobilized by the insidious apathy of unbelief, and though they can sense with mounting apprehension the coming implosion of America, they are helpless to do anything about it.

Like fiery darts, niggling fears have penetrated the darkness of the heretics minds. They ask:

If enlightened progress is liberty from God the Father, then why is it leading us into ruination and slavery? Why are we beset by nameless fears, especially the fear of falling into nothingness? And if authentic Christians are so backward and unscientific, why is it that they are the only ones not immobilized by apathy? Why are they, who we heretics hold in contempt, the only ones who are willing to fight? And why is it that we who believe ourselves to be scientific and forward-thinking come off as double-thinking irrational sophists while authentic Christians actually engage in rational discourse?


107 posted on 07/26/2011 5:23:05 AM PDT by spirited irish
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