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Monks teach maleness to Thai 'ladyboys'
ABS-CBN News ^ | July 16, 2011 | Janesara Fugal

Posted on 07/17/2011 7:21:15 AM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin

CHIANG KHONG - The 15-year-old aspiring "ladyboy" delicately applied a puff of talcum powder to his nose -- an act of rebellion at the Thai Buddhist temple where he is learning to "be a man".

"They have rules here that novice monks cannot use powder, make-up, or perfume, cannot run around and be girlish," said Pipop Thanajindawong, who was sent to Wat Kreung Tai Wittaya, in Chiang Khong on the Thai-Laos border, to tame his more feminine traits.

But the monks running the temple's program to teach masculinity to boys who are "katoeys", the Thai term for transsexuals or ladyboys, have their controversial work cut out.

"Sometimes we give them money to buy snacks but he saved it up to buy mascara," headteacher Phra Pitsanu Witcharato said of Pipop.

Novice monks' days pass as in any other temple -- waking before dawn, collecting alms and studying Buddhism -- but every Friday attention turns to the katoeys at the attached school.

"Were you born as a man or a woman or can you not specify your gender - not man or woman?" asked Phra Pitsanu at a recent assembly. "You cannot be anything else but your true gender, which is a man. As a novice you can only be a man."

The temple has a stricter interpretation than others of rules governing behavior during Buddhist training that is a key childhood experience for many Thai boys.

Pupils are banned from using perfume and make-up and prohibited from singing, playing music and running.

"We cannot change all of them but what we can do is to control their behavior to make them understand that they were born as a man... and cannot act like a woman," said Phra Pitsanu.

The Kreung Tai temple has run the course for boys aged between 11 and 18 since 2008, after former principal Phra Maha Vuthichai Vachiramethi devised the program because he thought reports of katoeys in the monkhood had "affected the stability of Thai Buddhism".

He told AFP that he hopes the teaching methods will be rolled out to other temple schools to "solve the deviant behavior in novices".

It is an attitude that enrages gay rights and diversity campaigner Natee Teerarojanapong, who said trying to alter the boys' sense of gender and sexuality was "extremely dangerous".

"These kids will become self-hating because they have been taught by respected monks that being gay is bad. That is terrible for them. They will never live happily," he told AFP.

Gay and katoey culture is visible and widely tolerated in Thailand, which has one of the largest transsexual populations in the world, and Natee said the temple's program is "very out of date".

But Phra Atcha Apiwanno, 28, disputed the idea that society accepted ladyboys and said he joined the monkhood because of social stigma about his sexual identity.

"The reason I became a monk is to train my habits, to control my expression... I didn't want to be like this," he told AFP.

Monks have had limited success in their project -- three of the six ladyboys to have graduated from the school are said to have embraced their masculinity, but the remaining three went on to have sex changes.

Pipop said he has struggled with his sexuality at the temple.

At home in Bangkok he dressed like a girl, putting on make-up and taking hormones until he developed breasts, but he has since stopped the treatment and wears only a surreptitious dab of powder at the temple.

He does not believe he will live up to his family's hopes that he will become more manly.

"I can make them proud even I'm not a man," the teenager said, adding he had given up his ambition to be an airhostess and now aspires to work in a bank.

He thinks he will have a sex change after graduation.

"Once I leave the monkhood the first thing I want to do is to shout, to scream out loud saying: 'I can go back to being the same again!'"


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1 posted on 07/17/2011 7:21:25 AM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin
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To: Bed_Zeppelin
"Sometimes we give them money to buy snacks but he saved it up to buy mascara,"

LOL.

BTW, no pictures please.

2 posted on 07/17/2011 7:25:25 AM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Bed_Zeppelin

After my children’s mom passed away I had to hire babysitters to help out

I worked through an agency called Cultural Care that brings foreign students to USA for a period of one to two years on a work-study program

I had 3 ‘aupairs’ for my children from Thailand and they were the nicest, gentlest, and hardest working young persons I have ever known. (by FAR)

And each of them used almost all of their pay to send home to help their mom and dad. I was so grateful I bought their parents gifts that I hope changed their lives (a tractor, in one instance)

We could learn a lot from Thai culture.


3 posted on 07/17/2011 7:27:48 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Bed_Zeppelin
Can we send part of Congress there for treatment?
4 posted on 07/17/2011 7:28:01 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Bed_Zeppelin
Can we send part of Congress there for treatment?
5 posted on 07/17/2011 7:28:23 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Bed_Zeppelin
Y'know, this is all noble and good, but think about it- you put a boy with feminine traits in a society where's nothing but other guys, especially virile masculine guys, I don't think you're helping him. Sorta like making your effeminate son go out for football to "toughen him up"- being in large piles with other boys, taking showers together, slapping each other on the butt, THAT will make him into a heterosexual [/s]

For the record, if I ever questioned my son's masculinity, I'd immediately enroll him in ballet class, where there's NOTHING else but girls.

6 posted on 07/17/2011 7:30:31 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: Mr. K
Agreed.

IMO Thailand is a libertarian, free country virtually without compare.

A couple of absolute no-nos: Don't insult the King, don't do drugs, and don't disrespect a buddhist statue. Other than that, it's an astoundingly free country.

7 posted on 07/17/2011 7:32:56 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: MuttTheHoople

Ballet class ? Yeah, we all know how well that worked out for Ron, Jr.


8 posted on 07/17/2011 7:33:12 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Bed_Zeppelin
Don't mess with those Buddhist monks:


9 posted on 07/17/2011 7:33:35 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

No drugs = no libertarians


10 posted on 07/17/2011 7:34:29 AM PDT by csmusaret (If abortion is a choice, let the fetus decide.)
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To: Mr. K

I tried authentic Thai food once.

looked and smelled like a plate of hot vomit.


11 posted on 07/17/2011 7:34:33 AM PDT by digger48
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To: James C. Bennett

12 posted on 07/17/2011 7:42:24 AM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin
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To: James C. Bennett

And Gang-bangers here think that pitbulls are tough.....


13 posted on 07/17/2011 7:52:32 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Bed_Zeppelin

Memo this to aspects of the libtard media that are blasting Bachmann and her clinic....


14 posted on 07/17/2011 8:02:16 AM PDT by cranked
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To: csmusaret
No drugs = no libertarians

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Yes well, maybe that is part of the reason the LP can't get to square one, with voters.

Not saying the WOD is a good thing, most evidence is it is an expensive, destructive failure. But it's way too central to what we see as libertarian.

I consider myself a small-l libertarian. A constitutionalist. Ironically in part, really something I learned to appreciate and cherish as an expat.

Now I'm here and realize more than I ever did, how exceptional and special America is.

However, we are not "free". We are surrounded by laws. Mandates. Regulations. Prohibitions. Meddlesome busibodies at every turn.

One thing which you might think is odd, that I really learned to appreciate is having to be careful. Careful when crossing the street, so as to avoid getting run over. Careful looking where to step, to avoid uneven cobblestone sidewalks and bizarre roads. Noisy, fume-belching oddball vehicles with three wheels. Elephants on the street.

Riding a motorcycle without a helmet, pretty much chaotically wherever there was a free bit of road.

Careful but FREE. We have allowed lawyers and liberals to transform America into a nurf nation.

That is the libertarian aspect, I was referring to. I wish we could begin to bring that sort of freedom back.

15 posted on 07/17/2011 8:12:57 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Bed_Zeppelin

I seem to remember something similar in the movie “Gran Torino”.


16 posted on 07/17/2011 8:15:54 AM PDT by Publius
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To: James C. Bennett

I’d be careful around those tigers, that didn’t work out so well for seigfried and roy


17 posted on 07/17/2011 8:35:52 AM PDT by Jeff Vader (Palin 2012)
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To: Anoreth

Colorful Asian animal kingdom weirdness.


18 posted on 07/17/2011 9:03:54 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When politicians are "civil," the Republic is threatened.)
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To: Bed_Zeppelin

I guess helping gays go straight is only allowed by non Christian groups that are not associated with Bachmann.


19 posted on 07/17/2011 9:07:54 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: HereInTheHeartland

The more pressing need is to arrange such treatment for Obama and his crew.


20 posted on 07/17/2011 9:18:09 AM PDT by Rockingham
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