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To: markomalley; Tax-chick; netmilsmom; Desdemona

Every Catholic should know the Gloria by heart and say or sing it joyfully. The entire thing! More of us would if they didn’t keep changing the tune and the words so we can’t feel familiar and comfortable with them.

My latest Mass misadventure: I have begun resisting pressure by not holding hands during the Our Father. I just hold my hands up in front of me, put my head down, close my eyes, and pray it. Last week, while in this posture of prayer, I had a fellow parishioner come across the aisle and tap me on the arm and make me hold his hand!

Why on Earth do our bishops tinker with custom like this? We should all be using our bodies in the same way at every Mass in the country. Isn’t it incorrect to hold hands during the Our Father?


60 posted on 07/11/2011 2:35:04 PM PDT by Melian ("I can't spare this [wo]man; [s]he fights!" (Apologies to Abe Lincoln) Go, Sarah!)
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To: Melian
Why on Earth do our bishops tinker with custom like this? We should all be using our bodies in the same way at every Mass in the country. Isn’t it incorrect to hold hands during the Our Father?

Holding hands during the Pater is some sort of Protestant custom imported by Charismatics. I don't think you can really blame the bishops for it, except to the extent that they've tolerated it or given a bad example by doing it themselves.

And no, it's not required, and it's wrong to try to impose it on people -- even if it's lay people imposing it on other lay people.

63 posted on 07/11/2011 3:12:08 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Melian
Every Catholic should know the Gloria by heart and say or sing it joyfully. The entire thing!

Be ready for the text change the first week of Advent. It's creeping up on us.

I have begun resisting pressure by not holding hands during the Our Father. I just hold my hands up in front of me, put my head down, close my eyes, and pray it. Last week, while in this posture of prayer, I had a fellow parishioner come across the aisle and tap me on the arm and make me hold his hand!

When the choir is off, I do what the sisters do - lace my fingers at my waist and bow my head. I assume they're correct. Not that we hold hands at my parish.

Why on Earth do our bishops tinker with custom like this? We should all be using our bodies in the same way at every Mass in the country. Isn’t it incorrect to hold hands during the Our Father?

I don't know that it originated with the bishops. They just haven't corrected it.

65 posted on 07/11/2011 3:49:00 PM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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To: Melian

>>I have begun resisting pressure by not holding hands during the Our Father. I just hold my hands up in front of me, put my head down, close my eyes, and pray it.<<

Stop that orans position. In the GIRM it is reserved for the priest and deacon only. It is never allowed for the laity and part of your problem. I left “Lib city” church and know just what you’re going through.

Fold your hands and close your eyes. If someone taps you, ignore it. If it happens again, ignore it again. If they call your name, ignore it. With your hands folded, no one can grab your hand. If they come up to your and ask about it after, Open your eyes wide and exclaim, “I was PRAYING!” That solved my problem. Eventually, a whole group of us (starting with the men who hate the hand holding anyway) folded our hands for the Our Father. I think that if I had stayed, many more would have.

Here is an excellent statement from Karl Keating, of Catholic Answers.com. I wish that we could get this out to all Catholics to make them understand. It DOES take away the meaning in other parts of the mass. You would be amazed at how many people will drop their hands when a few in the pew do.

May 23, 2004, 04:50 PM
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Default Re: Holding hands at the Lord’s Prayer
In America, we shake hands with one another at the sign of peace. In Japan parishioners bow to one another. In other countries there may be other conventions.

At the sign of peace we’re saying “I’m at peace with you” or “I feel reconciled to you.” We convey that through words (”The peace of Christ be with you”) and through an action that is friendly but not intimate or intrusive (since most of those around us likely will be strangers).

This act of demonstrating reconciliation is undermined by holding hands at the Our Father. That prayer comes immediately before the sign of peace. In those parishes where people hold hands during that prayer, they are engaging in an action that is much more intimate than a handshake.

If we hold hands during the Our Father, it undercuts the significance of the following act, since holding hands trumps shaking hands. The sign of peace withers. A prescribed part of the liturgy (the sign of peace) loses much of its significance (much of its “sign value”) when parishioners hold hands at the Our Father.

(It’s good to say “I love you” to your spouse, but if you say that to everyone you meet on the street, your spouse will feel your words have been devalued.)

Another point: In our culture, hand-holding is approved of when adults hold the hands of young children, when boyfriend and girlfriend hold hands, and when married couples hold hands (though this commonly stops a few weeks after the honeymoon ).

We do not hold hands with strangers to whom we are introduced. We shake hands instead. Holding hands in such a situation would be perceived as too intimate. And in some cases, holding hands even suggests something unsavory, as when we see two men holding hands as they walk down the sidewalk.

Can anyone think of any situation, other than at the Our Father during Mass, in which people commonly hold hands with strangers? I can’t, and I think there is a reason: Hand holding is a sign of a certain intimacy. It’s not something we take lightly.

To hold hands with strangers at Mass strikes me as artificial, and it has become a detriment to a proper appreciation of the liturgy. Yes, it is easy enough to avoid, but I think it remains a problem. It is one kind of problem for those who don’t wish to hold hands, and it is another kind of problem (the problem of not understanding the role of signs in the Mass) for those who like the practice.


75 posted on 07/12/2011 6:07:55 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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