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To: armydoc

This could get interesting.


3 posted on 07/09/2011 11:32:07 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Could? That’s an understatement.


7 posted on 07/09/2011 11:42:00 AM PDT by caww
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To: CynicalBear

Why the heck is Newsweek talking about homosexual priests now?

During the priest molestation crisis, the MSM avoided mentioning that most of such cases were homosexual priests committing homosexual molestation on boys and young men. The MSM always reported that crisis as a “child abuse” crisis, never mentioning that most victims were male.

And that crisis generated discussion of issues such as why priests can’t marry. The distinct impression left was that priests were abusing girls and young women, and that they were doing it because they had no sexual “outlet” so to speak, since they aren’t allowed to get married.

The MSM coverage of the priest scandal certainly lowered my opinion of them, due to their obvious selective reporting of facts. My guess is that they didn’t want to report anything which would reflect badly on the homosexual community. So they tried to leave an impression that lustful priests with no female partners abused girls.

So why should we listen to what they have to say about homosexual priests now? This is likely a distorted report.


10 posted on 07/09/2011 11:46:05 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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let me preface this by saying i consider myself a faithful Catholic, but one who is very privy to the “sausage factory” that is the inner workings of church governance and administration. My parents were regular hosts to travelling priests and religious passing through area, active in their parish council and frequent guests at the dinner table of the local archbishop.

I myself count among my friends many priests and religious who serve in fairly high offices in Rome and elsewhere, several high ranking church laity, and a psychologist who serves at one of several secure hospitals operated in the US for treating mentally ill priests (yes including THOSE kind).

SO I say this with all the love possible for mother church, but truth is truth.

At this point, The majority of ordained priests from the 1st world are gay. Simple as that, and this has been true for probably 50+ years and the Church has been well aware of it, and seen it as a “win-win” of sorts.

Once the ranks of the priesthood were swelled , especially in America by the ranks of children of Catholic immigrants, particularly Irish and Italian who had large families and held to the tradition of “one for God”-that is that one of their sons, usually the youngest, was expected to join the priesthood.

As these immigrant groups marched up the ladders of material success, they became less devout, and what was once seen as an honorable job, (and one with a steady income and job security) became seen as more of a burden, largely owing to the celibacy requirement-which meant no grandchildren at a time when family size was shrinking anyway.

Into this gap came a generation of men who embraced celibacy, in part, out of a fear of their own sinful, sexual desires. The Church has always said that homosexuality per se is no sin, only homosexual acts are. Therefore, even knowing many of these men for what they were saw this as a “win-win”- a way to keep young men away form a life of sin and a way to keep the ranks of the priesthood strong and vibrant.

Unfortunately this acceptance paved the way for the pedophilia scandals in which we are now embroiled. The “gay rights movement” and the “sexual revolution” came along and told men gay and straight to embrace their desires, not be ashamed of who they were. embrace promiscuity, abandon marriage etc. As this message spread through our culture, The celibate priesthood started looking like an archaic and unattractive thing to most healthy young men, who were being told by their culture that there was something wrong with them if they wanted to live a life without sex.

Vocations all but dried up by the mid 1980’s in the US. Seminaries that once graduated classes of 50 or 100 were ordaining only 6-7 priests a year. And because of that scarcity, to their everlasting shame, the administrators or those seminaries began overlooking things that once would have gotten people thrown out on their ear, and they either eased the complex psychological screenings they used to use to weed out the unfit.

This how so many pedophiles got in. Most of them were horrified at their own desires and so like the gays before them ran to the shelter of celibacy. They should have been screened out, but the Seminary administrators were simply too desperate for bodies. Likewise homosexuals were permitted to be a lot more open, and even active about their sexuality because they were needed so desperately.

It is my opinion that this will not stop until we take a real serious look at lifting the celibacy requirement altogether. There already are married priests in the Roman Catholic rite, and the sky has not fallen. If we don’;t want Benedict “Glory of the Olives” to be the 2nd to last Pope as St Malachy reported prophesied, we need to take a very serious look at re-opening vocations to married men again.


64 posted on 07/09/2011 1:53:36 PM PDT by Quis Custodiet (.)
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