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To: benhoganfan; reaganaut
I know your heart aches for not being able to live the commandments. I know its hard and takes discipline.

Do you follow the commandments 100% of the time ben? Are you perfectly sinless in your life?

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 58:43: “By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins—behold, he will confess them and forsake them.”

1Jo 1:8 KJV - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

JAMES 2:10: “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”

Spare us the platitudes ben - everyone knows that you don't live the commandments either. You haven't forsaken all your sins ben thus you haven't repented ben - because you continue to sin.

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 82:7: “And now, verily I say unto you, I, the Lord, will not lay any sin to your charge; go your ways and sin no more; but unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, saith the Lord your God.

So tell us of this so-called perfection you live ben - all your old sins are back on your account the very moment you sin again.

ALMA 11:37: “And I say unto you again that he cannot save them in their sins; for I cannot deny his word, and he hath said that no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven; therefore, how can ye be saved, except ye inherit the kingdom of heaven? Therefore, ye cannot be saved in your sins.

This isn't looking too good for you Ben - you're stuck with all that sin over and over again. And since you cannot keep the commandments continually you can't be with heavenly father (D&C 25:15).

Because you continue to sin ben - you haven't cleansed your self of ALL UNGODLINESS, the grace of Jesus is NOT sufficient for you (MORONI 10:32)

So what do you do ben? "Repent" every day? Joseph Smith said: “Repentance is a thing that cannot be trifled with every day. Daily transgression and daily repentance is not that which is pleasing in the sight of God.” —Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 148

So ben, while you puff yourself up with pride ("I teach Sunday school", "Full tithe payer", etc) you own scriptures reveal you as: An unrepentant sinner who will be banished from heavenly father's presence because you have not done all for your own salvation.

Reaganaut can say she is 100% perfect (Mat 5:48) because of the Jesus she serves and worships.

You can't make the same claim ben, because you don't worship the same Jesus.

Some day the scales will come off your eyes and you will see that.

163 posted on 07/01/2011 9:22:29 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
"So ben, while you puff yourself up with pride ("I teach Sunday school", "Full tithe payer", etc) you own scriptures reveal you as: An unrepentant sinner who will be banished from heavenly father's presence because you have not done all for your own salvation."

"You can't make the same claim ben, because you don't worship the same Jesus."

BEARS REPEATING

164 posted on 07/01/2011 9:31:02 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!)
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To: Godzilla; benhoganfan; reaganaut; aMorePerfectUnion; Monkey Face; Technocrat; svcw
Do you follow the commandments 100% of the time ben? Are you perfectly sinless in your life? DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 58:43: “By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins—behold, he will confess them and forsake them.” 1Jo 1:8 KJV - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. JAMES 2:10: “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” Spare us the platitudes ben - everyone knows that you don't live the commandments either. You haven't forsaken all your sins ben thus you haven't repented ben - because you continue to sin. DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 82:7: “And now, verily I say unto you, I, the Lord, will not lay any sin to your charge; go your ways and sin no more; but unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, saith the Lord your God.” So tell us of this so-called perfection you live ben - all your old sins are back on your account the very moment you sin again. ALMA 11:37: “And I say unto you again that he cannot save them in their sins; for I cannot deny his word, and he hath said that no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven; therefore, how can ye be saved, except ye inherit the kingdom of heaven? Therefore, ye cannot be saved in your sins.” This isn't looking too good for you Ben - you're stuck with all that sin over and over again. And since you cannot keep the commandments continually you can't be with heavenly father (D&C 25:15).

And yet, Godzilla, if Ben doesn't keep the commandments, what hope has he of eternal life per Joseph Smith?...for Smith adds in Doctrine & Covenants 14:7: "And IF you keep my commandments and endure to the end you shall have eternal life, which gift is the greatest of all gifts."

Well, ben, which is it: Is eternal life a "gift" which is to be rec'd as all gifts are -- something you don't work for...or is it a merit-badge earned by commandment-keeping?

Isn't perfection your goal, ben? Yet what do you do with that verse Godzilla quoted -- James 2:10 -- that if you've broken one part of the Law, you are guilty of breaking all of it? Doesn't 3 Nephi 12:48 say "that ye should BE perfect" -- not simply become perfect in some future afterlife?

Are ye perfect, ben?

If ye think ye are, have ye read Jesus in Matthew 19:21?

21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Have ye sold all ye have, ben? No? Is that computer yours you're typing from? Do ye realize God doesn't grade on a curve -- Mormon superiority vs. Gentile "less than?"

He expects perfection. Have ye done ALL ye can do? Physically? Morally? Spiritually? Emotionally? Relationally?

No? Then how will God's grace ever kick in for ye per 2 Nephi 25:23 if ye haven't done all ye can do? Did ye see that word "after" ben in 2 Nephi 25:23?...saved by grace AFTER...

"AFTER" what, ben?

After ALL ye can do? Ye can sell all ye have, right? That's something ye can still do, right?

Jesus said unto ben: ...If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor...

165 posted on 07/01/2011 10:01:13 AM PDT by Colofornian (The Mormon church regards 100% of the founding fathers as apostates from the 'true' church)
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