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To: MarkBsnr; stfassisi
I hope you will realize that you're falling into Pelagian heresy,dear sister

Oh Lord, please don't tell me that you have succumbed to this, dear bb. In spite of our differences, I feel very strongly about you. Please don't depart from Christianity any more than you already have.

LOL! Please kindly explain to me exactly what I said that leads y'all to think I have succumbed to Pelagianism.

As far as I can tell, Pelagius' main belief was that the human will, as created with its abilities by God, was sufficient to live a sinless life. I do not believe this at all. Instead, we have inherited a sin nature passed down to us by Adam and, as such, we are slaves to the sin nature and we are without hope without the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for our sins.

So, yes, I'd like to know what appalling thing I said that leads you into thinking I am a Pelagian heretic.

254 posted on 07/17/2011 5:41:21 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums; MarkBsnr
Sufficient Grace is given to all,bb, and you're saying human action moves God to supply Grace which is similar to Pelagius.

Catholic teaching is that our actions cooperate with the Grace God has already given us,thus, when we follow His will our will is coming in line with the will of God that produces works of love in union with God

Scripture is clear that we can refuse this Grace given to all, and this is why our actions do not move God,they only move us away from His will when we choose to sin

"The kingdom of heaven may be likened to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son. He dispatched his servants to summon the invited guests to the feast, but they refused to come. A second time he sent other servants, saying, 'Tell those Invited: "Behold, I have prepared my banquet, my calves and fattened cattle are killed, and everything is ready; come to the feast."' Some ignored the invitation and went away, one to his farm, another to his business. The rest laid hold of his servants, mistreated them, and killed them. The king was enraged and sent his troops, destroyed those murderers, and burned their city. Then he said to his servants, 'The feast is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy to come. Go out, therefore, into the main roads and invite to the feast whomever you find.' The servants went out into the streets and gathered all they found, bad and good alike, and the hall was filled with guests. (Matthew 22:2-10)

255 posted on 07/18/2011 6:20:18 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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