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To: boatbums

“”I wonder where the Roman Catholic Church was when slavery was going on throughout Europe and the world for millenia and what it has done about slavery that is STILL going on in parts of the Middle East and Africa?””

Lets take a tour through history...

Sublimus Dei 1537 by Pope Paul III
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Paul03/p3subli.htm

We, who, though unworthy, exercise on earth the power of our Lord and seek with all our might to bring those sheep of His flock who are outside into the fold committed to our charge, consider, however, that the Indians are truly men and that they are not only capable of understanding the Catholic Faith but, according to our information, they desire exceedingly to receive it. Desiring to provide ample remedy for these evils, We define and declare by these Our letters, or by any translation thereof signed by any notary public and sealed with the seal of any ecclesiastical dignitary, to which the same credit shall be given as to the originals, that, notwithstanding whatever may have been or may be said to the contrary, the said Indians and all other people who may later be discovered by Christians, are by no means to be deprived of their liberty or the possession of their property, even though they be outside the faith of Jesus Christ; and that they may and should, freely and legitimately, enjoy their liberty and the possession of their property; nor should they be in any way enslaved; should the contrary happen, it shall be null and have no effect.

Sicut Dudum written in 1435

Pope Eugene IV Against the Enslaving of Black Natives
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Eugene04/eugene04sicut.htm
They have deprived the natives of their property or turned it to their own use, and have subjected some of the inhabitants of said islands to perpetual slavery (subdiderunt perpetuae servituti), sold then to other persons and committed other various illicit and evil deeds against them . . . Therefore We ... exhort, through the sprinkling of the Blood of Jesus Christ shed for their sins, one and all, temporal princes, lords, captains, armed men, barons, soldiers, nobles, communities and all others of every kind among the Christian faithful of whatever state, grade or condition, that they themselves desist from the aforementioned deeds, cause those subject to them to desist from them, and restrain them rigorously. And no less do We order and command all and each of the faithful of each sex that, within the space of fifteen days of the publication of these letters in the place where they live, that they restore to their pristine liberty

Gregory XVI, In Supremo, December 3, 1839

There were to be found subsequently among the faithful some who, shamefully blinded by the desire of sordid gain, in lonely and distant countries did not hesitate to reduce to slavery (in servitutem redigere) Indians, Blacks and other unfortunate peoples, or else, by instituting or expanding the trade in those who had been made slaves by others, aided the crime of others. Certainly many Roman Pontiffs of glorious memory, Our Predecessors, did not fail, according to the duties of their office, to blame severely this way of acting as dangerous for the spiritual welfare of those who did such things and a shame to the Christian name.....

The slave trade, although it has been somewhat diminished, is still carried on by numerous Christians. Therefore, desiring to remove such a great shame from all Christian peoples . . . and walking in the footsteps of Our Predecessors, We, by apostolic authority, warn and strongly exhort in the Lord faithful Christians of every condition that no one in the future dare to bother unjustly, despoil of their possessions, or reduce to slavery (in servitutem redigere) Indians, Blacks or other such peoples. Nor are they to lend aid and favor to those who give themselves up to these practices, or exercise that inhuman traffic by which the Blacks, as if they were not humans but rather mere animals, having been brought into slavery in no matter what way, are, without any distinction and contrary to the rights of justice and humanity, bought, sold and sometimes given over to the hardest labor.

IN PLURIMIS (On the Abolition of Slavery)
Pope Leo XIII promulgated on 5 May 1888.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/encyc/l13abl.htm

Whoever compare the pagan and the Christian attitude toward slavery will easily come to the conclusion that the one was marked by great cruelty and wickedness, and the other by great gentleness and humanity, nor will it be possible to deprive the Church of the credit due to her as the instrument of this happy change. And this becomes still more apparent when we consider carefully how tenderly and with what prudence the Church has cut out and destroyed this dreadful curse of slavery. She has deprecated any precipitate action in securing the manumission and liberation of the slaves, because that would have entailed tumults and wrought injury, as well to the slaves themselves as to the commonwealth, but with singular wisdom she has seen that the minds of the slaves should be instructed through her discipline in the Christian faith, and with baptism should acquire habits suitable to the Christian life. Therefore, when, amid the slave multitude whom she has numbered among her children, some, led astray by some hope of liberty, have had recourse to violence and sedition, the Church has always condemned these unlawful efforts and opposed them, and through her ministers has applied the remedy of patience.

BB-””I just do not agree that separating the church from the state was a bad thing. I do not for one minute believe Jesus advocated for a church state””

Without the Church being involved you get to have legal abortion-which has killed far more innocent people than hitlar,stalin and mao....You get legal pornography,gay marriage etc...

But hey, you say it’s not such a bad thing

BB””With their lust for riches and status and their persecution of fellow humans””

There was NEVER Catholic teaching that ever condoned this behavior,it was only those who did not follow the faith,therefore the Church is spotless as it has always been

It would do you well to really study what the teaching of the Catholic Church is rather than blaming her for the actions of a few,dear sister


117 posted on 07/08/2011 3:51:17 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: boatbums; stfassisi
I wonder where the Roman Catholic Church was when slavery was going on throughout Europe and the world for millenia and what it has done about slavery that is STILL going on in parts of the Middle East and Africa?

How about your church?

119 posted on 07/08/2011 4:18:50 PM PDT by Titanites
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