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To: Cicero; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
I don't quite know what to call these guys. They are like ambulance chasers who go after the Catholic Church instead of medical practitioners and hospitals. Sort of the John Edwardses of anti-Catholicism.

And they suck enough money out of the Church to feather their nests very nicely. Money that ought to be going into running hospitals and charities and making repairs to aging parish churches.

Distraction 101.

Do anything and accuse anyone to take the attention off the abusive priests and those who are protecting them.

12 posted on 06/21/2011 8:02:11 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: metmom; Dr. Eckleburg
I would like to see the the guidelines and rules your Churches adhere to regarding pedophiles and the like, if you don't mind providng a link or something.

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Mesquite Baptist Academy unaware pastor was serial rapist: http://www.ydr.com/premium/ci_18161823

Temecula assistant pastor raped choirgirl, but most Protestants have no way to track sexual predators: http://stopbaptistpredators.org/documents/Nolawonchurchworkerchecks.pdf

Trinity Baptist man convicted after church forces rape victim to publicly confess to extramarital sex: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/05/28/2011-05-28_new_hampshire_man_ernest_willis_guilty_of_raping_teen_church_member_tina_anderso.html

Merrywood Baptist youth minister charged with molestation: http://www.insidestatesboro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=271%3Amerrywood-youth-pastor-charged-with-milestation&catid=53%3Astate-news&Itemid=138

Christopher Settlemoir, 27, pastor of Antioch Baptist Church, MI, sentenced to prison for homosexual assault: http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/former-baptist-pastor-chris-settlemoir-sentenced-to-prison-20110524-mr

Oklahoma Baptist minister arrested on sex complaints: http://www.fox23.com/mostpopular/story/pastor-sex-charges-arrested-Oklahoma-crime-teen/pQvLKDdu6EWq_IIQQ9hkPg.cspx

pastor Andrew J. Bierkan (Massachusetts, indicted) First Congregational Church of Sutton

Pastor Eddie Thomas (Ringgold, LA, Charged) St. Luke Baptist Church

Rev. Gene Francis (Florida, Charged) Church of the Nazarene

Rev. David Valencia (Arizona, Charged) assistant pastor at Christ Church at Grove Farm

Youth Pastor Marty A. Hynes (Charged, 8 counts) First Assembly of God church

Louis Anguiano (JH, Charged) elder at the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses

Pastor Dennis Larry Shaw (IL, charged) Baptist

Minister Sabala (Guilty) Four-Square Church

Rev. Thomas Masters (Florida, guilty) New Macedonia Church

Pastor Barasda (RI, Guilty)

Pastor Anthony Shafer (OH, convicted) non-denominational church

Rev. Joseph A. Rinaldi (VT, Guilty) Newbury Bible Church

Pastor Garry Toavs (guilty) pastor of Evergreen Alliance Church

Youth Minister Anthony Waters (Guilty)

Pastor Ilger (Guilty) Hope Chapel of the Valley

Pastor Kemp (NY, convicted) Mount Zion Baptist Church

Youth Minister Charles Richard Willits (Texas, convicted) Youth minister Kurt Danskin (WI, pleaded guilty)

Youth Minister William Bell (SC, guilty) Youth Minister Rex Jason (OK, guilty) River of Life Church

Youth Minister Spain (TN, guilty) First Assembly of God Church *********************************************************

Pastor Barasda (resigned from Rhode Island to Maryland)

Pastor Kerry Clyde Martin (CA, molested children at three other churches before being caught)

dozen church elders decided unanimously that pastor Rev. Lawrence French, who says he is innocent, should remain as pastor. Convinced that the 72-year-old pastor could not have committed the alleged offenses, they also concluded that it would be unfair to French to notify other members of the church about the allegations. (The Boston Globe, November 1, 2002)

Pastor Ilger (CA, "We've lived and learned a painful lesson," the Rev. Jeff Fischer of Hope Chapel said outside court. Fischer has said he and about 30 church elders knew that Ilger had molested young girls before he was hired." (emphasis mine) )

"We would be naïve and dishonest were we to say this is a Roman Catholic problem and has nothing to do with us because we have married and female priests in our church. Sin and abusive behavior know no ecclesial or other boundaries." Rt. Rev. William Persell, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Chicago, Good Friday Sermon, 2002.

14 posted on 06/21/2011 8:12:16 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: metmom

To those who say the abuse occurred years ago it must be asked how the abusers were able to stay in place so long?

That was the second part of the abuse, the protection of the abusers and the indifference to the victims shown by the leaders, the bishops.

A “Zero Tolerance” policy may demand some eighty year old priest be defrocked but where is the Zero Tolerance for the bishops who knew and aided the abuse by active protection of the abusers?

The third horse of this ‘troika’ is the oft repeated here accusation that the victims are in the thrall of grubby lawyers seeking to justify their anti-Catholicism as justice seeking.
But since the surest way to clarify the mind of large institution’s leaders is to hit their wallets what other route was available? Appeal to the conscience of the very leaders that protected the abuse? Really.

It was not the news media, lawyers, or Protestant churches or public school teachers that produced the sexual abuse by Catholic priests and the covering up of it by numerous bishops.


16 posted on 06/21/2011 9:18:42 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom
Distraction 101.

Do anything and accuse anyone to take the attention off the abusive priests and those who are protecting them.

Exactly. They must offer classes in this kind of deflection and denial.

Remember, Bill Clinton went to Georgetown.

20 posted on 06/21/2011 9:55:41 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: metmom
Distraction 101. Do anything and accuse anyone to take the attention off the abusive priests and those who are protecting them.

I guess that is one way to react when your source is exposed as less than reputable.

95 posted on 06/23/2011 9:20:01 AM PDT by Hacksaw (Calvinism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.)
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