Posted on 06/21/2011 4:23:40 PM PDT by Salvation
Indeed, God is always first.
My patron saint.
Does St. Thomas More’s death illustrate putting God above wife, kin, country, everyone else (including the king)?
Catholic ping!
A Man for All Seasons indeed.
“Although Thomas never joined the clergy, “
“More even authored a book published in Henry’s name, “
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thank you very much for posting this.
i never knew those things, and others.
...he was a far better man than i.
i would hope that any Christian,
could at least respect his faith and dedication to God,
and see in him, a brother in Christ.
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And who will remember the people Thomas More had burned at the stake? One of them was William Tyndale, whose translation of the bible into English accounts for about 85 percent of the King James version.
Yes it does and it’s the reason he went to the block. Henry the VIII was a bastard who placed himself above Gods law.
Really? That's an impressive achievement on More's part, since More was beheaded in London in June, 1535, and Tyndale was burned in Belgium in October of 1536.
I'll have to read more about that. I believe More had other reformers burned as well.
See above. You were wise to forget it, since it's a myth, not to mention an impossibility.
I'll grant you that Tyndale and More didn't like each other when both were alive. One hopes that they are now good friends in heaven.
Catherine Parr, the last of Henrys wives and the only one to keep her head , said of More on his death, “Today died a man of great wit. And little sense’’.
Henry only beheaded two of his wives. He divorced two, one died following childbirth, and one -- Parr -- survived him.
More fell from King Henry’s grace faster than he could catch William Tyndale. It doesn’t change the fact that he bitterly opposed William Tyndale, opposed his excellent translation, and did his best to kill him.
“I find that breed of men absolutely loathsome,” he told Erasmus. “I want to be as hateful to them as anyone possibly can be; for my increasing experience with these men frightens me with the thought that the whole world will suffer at their hands.”
More described his feelings on the fate of the heretic: “The air longs to blow noxious vapours against the wicked man. The sea longs to overwhelm him in its waves, the mountains to fall upon him, hell to swallow him up after his headlong fall, the demons to plunge him into gulfs of ever-burning flames...”
“You were wise to forget it, since it’s a myth, not to mention an impossibility.”
False. The wheels were set in motion, and no one who reads More’s own words can doubt his hatred from Protestants. More wrote 9 volumes trying to refute Tyndale, and failed miserably.
http://www.archive.org/stream/tyndalesanswer00tynduoft/tyndalesanswer00tynduoft_djvu.txt
Thanks. Thought she was the only one.
More was a Catholic, charged by his King to enforce the law in a Catholic kingdom long before freedom of religion existed there or anywhere else ... and Tyndale was a heretic. Protestant rulers of the time behaved precisely the same way toward those who disagreed with them on religious grounds, whether Protestant or Catholic.
However, I should point out that, not only was More quite dead by the time Tyndale was executed, Tyndale lived on the continent from 1524 until his death. More became Lord Chancellor in 1529. His influence began to wane already the next year, and Henry accepted his resignation in 1532. Legally speaking, Tyndale was never under More's jurisdiction.
Tyndale's translation contained plenty of notes and editorial changes supporting his Protestant point of view.
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