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To: Cronos
. . . this is what the earliest Christians believed . . .

Just to jump in:

- I trust you're not saying Calvin and Luther were "early" Christians.
- Josephus was an early Christian, and he said that James was the brother of Jesus.

But, to me, the real question is why this is even a concern - it's about Jesus, not his mother. Jesus is my Saviour, and I worship Him - He is the only begotten Son of God, born of a virgin, crucified for our sin, buried, and raised from the dead - period. Whether or not Mary remained a virgin after Christ's birth is of no relevance, unless you worship her!

19 posted on 06/14/2011 8:09:14 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: jda

I think this is less about Mary’s sex life than it is about the authority of the Roman Church. They are the original “slippery slopers”. Reject one doctrine and the whole edifice crumbles. I have more faith in the power of the Holy Spirit than that.

They know the Perpetual Virginity of Mary is one of the weakest doctrines so that means they have to defend it even more fiercely.


24 posted on 06/14/2011 9:03:02 AM PDT by DManA
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To: jda; Cronos
I gotta say Cronos, I agree with jda. OK, Mary was a virgin when she conceived Jesus of the Holy Spirit - I can understand why that is important, but why the emphasis on Mary retaining her virginity after Jesus' birth? Wouldn't that be a tad unnatural? After all, Mary and Joseph were legally married, and there's nothing wrong with having carnal relations within marriage, is there?

I suggest you might be drawing the wrong conclusions from scripture. Whether Jesus had any blood siblings is unclear, as far as I can make out from the excellent exposition made. It doesn't seem to say one way or the other. But rather than that proving the case either way, it would suggest to me that the writers of the Bible thought the whole issue wasn't all that important. The emphasis in the NT seems to be more on a spiritual brotherhood/sisterhood than blood ties.

29 posted on 06/14/2011 9:15:50 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: jda
Whether or not Mary remained a virgin after Christ's birth is of no relevance, unless you worship her!

Extra credit for you ...

111 posted on 06/15/2011 6:51:15 AM PDT by dartuser ("Dealing with preterists is like cleaning the litter box ... but at least none of the cats are big.")
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