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To: boatbums
I could be wrong but I think the main reason why we see so many Catholics defend this as well as other extra-Biblical doctrines is that to admit the Church was wrong on any point - especially the ex-cathedra declarations - would be to concede they could be wrong about other things as well.

You're wrong. Tradition precedes Scripture which was chosen as a result of Scripture, not vice versa.

Of course, we non-Catholics have no problem with pointing out where they have erred on a number of very clear Scriptural, first-century doctrines, but for most of them they would rather “go down with the ship” so to speak than ever openly admit their “infallible” magesterium made mistakes.

Consensus Patrum is the authority, rather individual Fathers who wandered away from the Faith.

They have bet their eternity on trusting fallible men to be faultless based only upon those very men's proclamation of infallibility.

Negative. We trust in the words of Jesus Christ and in the creation of His Church. We do not take it upon ourselves to create our own doctrines. That is Scripturally forbidden. I am surprised that so many Protestants claim that authority.

359 posted on 06/15/2011 6:18:07 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr; smvoice; blue-duncan; wmfights
You're wrong. Tradition precedes Scripture which was chosen as a result of Scripture, not vice versa.

Well, of course I am...to you. However, the teachings of Jesus Christ to his disciples - along with what had already been established in the Old Testament - was written down by those followers under the guidance and inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Jesus told them that he would send the Spirit and he would bring to their remembrance all those things that he had taught. To what end do you think he said that? So that those teachings would be handed down strictly verbally and never written in a form that could be copied and passed down? I don't think so. The Holy Bible we have today is what all "traditions" should be judged against. Jesus, it is said, DID many things that would take the whole world and forever to write down, but we can be confident - based upon the very words of Scripture - that what we have is what we need to base all doctrines of the faith upon.

It is interesting to study about traditions in the churches of the first few centuries after the Apostles were all gone and it is admirable that heretical leaders were disputed using the very words of Scripture, however, just because a Mideastern church thousands of years ago did X, it doesn't necessarily mean ALL churches must also do X to be considered Christian. Scripture is quite clear what is needed to become a Christian and those basic tenets of the faith are not nebulous concepts that require a PHD to decode. They are simple and straightforward and are the starting point of the Christian life setting the stage for future growth and maturity of the faith. Yes, teachers and pastors and leaders are all good and contribute to that spiritual growth as well as evangelists that go out into the world preaching the Gospel and bringing people into the fellowship, but it is by the leading of God through the Holy Spirit that that each heart gets touched and convicted of sin and the need of the Savior. The "church" does not save anyone. Jesus does and those who are saved become members of the body of Christ, his church.

370 posted on 06/15/2011 7:43:49 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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