Posted on 06/13/2011 3:57:07 PM PDT by HarleyD
The Magisterium is much more than that. It is the teaching authority of the Church. It consists of all of the bishops of the Church including the bishop of Rome (Pope) and to a large degree all of their predecessors. They are collectively acting under the direct authority of Jesus Christ who promised to protect the teaching of the Church:
"He who hears you, hears me; he who rejects your rejects me, he who rejects me, rejects Him who sent me" (Luke 10:16)
They are under the guidance of the Holy Spirit through Apostolic Succession. Remember no bishop exists, or has ever existed who has not had the hands of a bishop placed upon him during ordination. This is a direct line directly to the original Apostles.
God did not take them lightly, they do not take themselves or their duties lightly, and I shall not take them lightly either.
Exactly..the sin was not TOUCHING THE ARK ..it was a sin of disobedience..
If they want to say the ark was Mary I guess it was fine for the pagans to "handle her"
Grace 101. "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman who needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Tim. 2:15.
Music to those of us who believe that God has given EVERY BELIEVER the ability to study His word of truth. Through the Holy Spirit, residing in each believer. We don't need to give our God-given abilities to understand His word to anyone else.
Do you then consider the differences in interpretation, both large and small, few and many, between those who call themselves Christians to be unimportant so long as each believes their own interpretation to be true?
Do you not consider the Magisterium and Catholics in general to be Christians and BELIEVERS with the same God-given abilities to understand HIS Word that you claim for yourself?
Yes.
Who?
The "Magisterium" is the refuge of last resort when all other smokescreens fail.
Prove it.
I gave you the Scripture. I have no intention of playing games with you.
It says nothing about giving the keys to anyone other than Peter.
I asked a question, you can’t give me a direct answer. Makes me believe that there’s nothing in scripture to support your position.
I’m all for sola scriptura, just it doesn’t back your position.
So how do you resolve a dispute.
Say smvoice believes x to be true and I believe something else to be true.
Are we both right? Are we both wrong? Is one of us blessed with the holy spirit? Is one of us not blessed with the holy spirit?
Every Christian should know their faith and should be able to defend their faith. However, scripture establishes the position of bishop, who has the responsibility over their flock. This is called the magisterium.
Part of the problem is because people have rejected the magisterium in favour of their own interpretation.
How many thousands of beliefs of every colour, odour and appearance use this as justification?
Jesus created one Church. Men have created all of those ever since.
“Where the bishop is, there let the multitude of believers be; even as where Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church” -Saint Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, 1st c. A.D.
Where do your beliefs come from? Either God or somewhere else:
Where is the Gospel? "Hold fast to the traditions you received from us, either by our word or by letter." (2 Thessalonians 3:15)
If you guys do not hold to the traditions of the Church, how can you consider yourselves Christians?
I'm searching for any Scripture that would tell me that the Magisterium or the Pope would be necessary for my understanding of His word, or my Christian life. I cannot locate a single one. But I DID locate this:
"All SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Tim. 3:16,17.
Now if all I need is Scripture, and the Holy Spirit indwelling me leading me in His word of truth, tell me again WHY I need the Magisterium.
Because the Church doesn’t save, Mark. Belief that Christ died for your sins, and His death is all sufficient for your salvation is what saves. Strangely absent from the RCC.
If you are not saved, the Holy Spirit does not reside in you. It's that simple.
Interesting choice of wording. The Church was created to teach and to evangelize to the world.
Matthew 28: 18 11 Then Jesus approached and said to them, "All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go, therefore, 12 and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. 13 And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age."
That was not given any Tom, Dick or Luther. It was given specifically to the Apostles.
If you have no clue as to what Jesus is and does, that is not salvific. The Church was promised that Jesus will be with us always. Those who choose to walk away from the Church walk away from God. Those who believe as they will violate the repeated commands in the NT to believe as the Church describes. And at what point, does your own belief system violate the basics of Christianity which the Judge will determine at your Judgement? How much variation will He tolerate from Christianity?
Simply taking upon yourself the authority of determining your own beliefs puts you at variance from Christianity.
But let me ask you something while you're here: When did the Church begin? Could you give me Scriptures, if possible, to back up your answer? Thanks.
You're wrong. Tradition precedes Scripture which was chosen as a result of Scripture, not vice versa.
Of course, we non-Catholics have no problem with pointing out where they have erred on a number of very clear Scriptural, first-century doctrines, but for most of them they would rather “go down with the ship” so to speak than ever openly admit their “infallible” magesterium made mistakes.
Consensus Patrum is the authority, rather individual Fathers who wandered away from the Faith.
They have bet their eternity on trusting fallible men to be faultless based only upon those very men's proclamation of infallibility.
Negative. We trust in the words of Jesus Christ and in the creation of His Church. We do not take it upon ourselves to create our own doctrines. That is Scripturally forbidden. I am surprised that so many Protestants claim that authority.
So, prior to 1500 or so, no one was saved?
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