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The Fountainhead of Satanism
First Things ^ | June 8 2011 | Joe Carter

Posted on 06/08/2011 9:34:29 PM PDT by Shalmaneser

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To: redgolum
There are a lot of randites here. Hopefully they will mature.

I suspect you've never read her works.

121 posted on 06/09/2011 10:11:28 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: danielmryan

Le Vey may preach against Christian morality, but that is in itself a (false) moral stance. He says that Christianity is wrong. Modern emasculated Christianity accepts many of these critiques.


122 posted on 06/09/2011 10:14:12 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Morality (and any associated ideal) is rooted entirely in a presupposition some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior.

I have not read Rand. When she speaks of "higher power", is she referring to government or God?

123 posted on 06/09/2011 11:02:56 AM PDT by mtg
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124 posted on 06/09/2011 11:35:27 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Shalmaneser

Welcome to FreeRepublic.


125 posted on 06/09/2011 2:32:17 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (1 Cor. 15:1-4 Believe it!)
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To: helloandgoodbye

When I was in 8th grade, our Bible class teacher brought in a video called Hell’s Bells, about Satanic influences in rock music. I only watched for one class period, because it gave me nightmares. My mother wrote a note to the teacher allowing me to go the library for that period.

Besides being scary, the video brought attention to several obscure performers that we never would have heard of otherwise. How many teenagers in 1990 were listening to Current 93, Psychick TV or Diamanda Galas?


126 posted on 06/09/2011 4:48:55 PM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: danielmryan
Hobbes had a motive of his own: he was eager to disparage any authority that could be held over the head of the King.

Wrong...

If you had actually read the book, you would know that it says that the Israelites were only supposed to have God as their King and not an earthly monarch... (this is also in the Bible) BUT, as the story goes, Moses was the first to say that our rights do not come from an earthly monarch... and the Israelites rejected God as their King...

So, God let them have their earthly rulers... and how did that work out?

And, incidentally, Hobbes had no other choice but to be a monarchist, in those days losing your head was very easy...

128 posted on 06/09/2011 5:40:04 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: mtg

That does not come from Rand...

Rand’s source of “morality” is undefined...

Here it is again (it is from myself)...

Morality and any associated ideal is rooted entirely in a presupposition that some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior.

Without one singular source defining “morality,” it is nothing more than the appetites of individual men and not from any divinity.


129 posted on 06/09/2011 5:46:39 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
I think Jim Robinson, the owner of FreeRepublic, understands the shortcomings of the Ayn Rand camp followers and their party platform of fiscal conservatism at the cost of jettisoning social conservatism.

Well Brian, most of the Randites don't understand that cultural marxism always leads to economic marxism...

And, trying to tell them so is really a waste of time, they are caught up in the cults of personality.

The real root of their troubles and those of many of the churches is their obstinate rejection of everything in Genesis...

Even most so-called "atheists" will not admit that human evolution is only possible with heterosexual relationships.

So, the religious faggot atheists want gay marriage?

I guess they tossed evolution out the window along with Genesis...

130 posted on 06/09/2011 5:54:45 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: buccaneer81

Actually, I have.

She has some good points, but her worldview is one of selfishness. Not to mention the writing is pretty horrible.


131 posted on 06/09/2011 5:56:56 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
but her worldview is one of selfishness.

I might have agreed with that as little as 20 years ago.

Not anymore.

132 posted on 06/09/2011 6:02:27 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: harmonium

I think it is a huge straw man to equate Ayn Rand with Anton LaVey...

At best it is asinine...

Putting up scarecrows and straw men is how the left operates.

The idea that freedom in economics is somehow “satanic” or evil is the socialist byline...


The use of dead people... is a sort of necromancy...

What does this even mean?

Just what I said... necromancy...

Divination through raising spirits of the dead... straw men... phantasms... hobgoblins... ghosts... scarecrows...


The trouble with man is that most men believe their weenies come from heaven and that this gives them some sanctified excuse to pass the collection plate at gunpoint for their false gods of religion - - or their gods of communism...

And speaking of Weiners from heaven,...


133 posted on 06/09/2011 6:10:26 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: buccaneer81
"...but her worldview is one of selfishness."

I might have agreed with that as little as 20 years ago.

Not anymore.

Good for you... this is a typical Left wing meme...

"You are selfish, bigoted, homophobic and greedy, so be happy we are going to save you by shoving a gun in your face and taking whatever we can steal...

134 posted on 06/09/2011 6:14:37 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Wrong...

If you had actually read the book...

Leviathan? I have read it, and I don't recall any recommended restraints on the sovereign. There are none noted in Wikipedia's summary of the book.

If I'm wrong, then you're either referring to another book by Hobbes or else you're pointing to a rather obscure part of it.

It's true that Hobbes had little choice to be a monarchist - but a supporter of absolute monarchy? Does he even mention Magna Carta?

135 posted on 06/09/2011 9:43:59 PM PDT by danielmryan
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
You could make way for restraints on a monarch's power by saying that a particular monarch chooses to accept those restraints, while noting that the choice to accept the constraints lies only with the monarch. That's consistent with Hobbes' psychological egoism and the schema in Leviathan. But, in combination with Hobbes' "war of all against all" if there be no sovereign in place, it still insinuates that there should be no outside limits to a sovereign's power.
136 posted on 06/09/2011 10:51:58 PM PDT by danielmryan
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To: danielmryan
Like I said, Leviathan (and the Bible) says that the Israelites were only supposed to have God as their king. God has no restraints...

The Leviathan also says, as does the Bible, that the Israelites rejected having God as their King, so God granted them their earthly rulers.

Restraints on a monarch's power is the hand of God and the fact that all men die.

Everything Hobbes discusses in the Leviathan is also referenced in the Bible, and this is why both the Papists and Presbyters wanted to murder him.

It was Moses who first revealed to men that their rights did not come from an earthly monarch.

God is not subject to the rule of men. God is also a monarchist and the Bible says this quite clearly. And, because men rejected the rule of God and are fallen, they die.

You can make all the arguments you want to against Leviathan, but you have yet to illustrate how anything written in Leviathan is not consistent with the Bible.

Please, if you want to criticize Leviathan, how about actually reading the Bible?

137 posted on 06/10/2011 3:15:34 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: danielmryan

Wikipedia is socialist bullshiite...


138 posted on 06/10/2011 3:16:20 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: danielmryan

Ancient Greeks?

Plato’s Euthyphro is a great illustration....

Socrates advances the argument to Euthyphro that, piety to the gods, who all want conflicting devotions and/or actions from humans, is impossible. (Socrates exposed the pagan esoteric sophistry.)

Likewise, morals are such a construction of idols used by the Left as a rationale for them to demand compliance to their wishes in politics, which most often are a skewed mess of fallacies in logic. “Morals” are a deceptive replacement for the “avoidance of sin.”


139 posted on 06/10/2011 3:31:43 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: buccaneer81; harmonium; Shalmaneser; Dr. Brian Kopp
his organization's President, Burns Strider, is in a leadership of Jim Wallis' Sojourners...an organization funded by "ATHEIST" George Soros...
140 posted on 06/12/2011 11:09:48 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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