Posted on 06/08/2011 9:34:29 PM PDT by Shalmaneser
I suspect you've never read her works.
Le Vey may preach against Christian morality, but that is in itself a (false) moral stance. He says that Christianity is wrong. Modern emasculated Christianity accepts many of these critiques.
I have not read Rand. When she speaks of "higher power", is she referring to government or God?
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When I was in 8th grade, our Bible class teacher brought in a video called Hell’s Bells, about Satanic influences in rock music. I only watched for one class period, because it gave me nightmares. My mother wrote a note to the teacher allowing me to go the library for that period.
Besides being scary, the video brought attention to several obscure performers that we never would have heard of otherwise. How many teenagers in 1990 were listening to Current 93, Psychick TV or Diamanda Galas?
Wrong...
If you had actually read the book, you would know that it says that the Israelites were only supposed to have God as their King and not an earthly monarch... (this is also in the Bible) BUT, as the story goes, Moses was the first to say that our rights do not come from an earthly monarch... and the Israelites rejected God as their King...
So, God let them have their earthly rulers... and how did that work out?
And, incidentally, Hobbes had no other choice but to be a monarchist, in those days losing your head was very easy...
That does not come from Rand...
Rand’s source of “morality” is undefined...
Here it is again (it is from myself)...
Morality and any associated ideal is rooted entirely in a presupposition that some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior.
Without one singular source defining “morality,” it is nothing more than the appetites of individual men and not from any divinity.
Well Brian, most of the Randites don't understand that cultural marxism always leads to economic marxism...
And, trying to tell them so is really a waste of time, they are caught up in the cults of personality.
The real root of their troubles and those of many of the churches is their obstinate rejection of everything in Genesis...
Even most so-called "atheists" will not admit that human evolution is only possible with heterosexual relationships.
So, the religious faggot atheists want gay marriage?
I guess they tossed evolution out the window along with Genesis...
Actually, I have.
She has some good points, but her worldview is one of selfishness. Not to mention the writing is pretty horrible.
I might have agreed with that as little as 20 years ago.
Not anymore.
I think it is a huge straw man to equate Ayn Rand with Anton LaVey...
At best it is asinine...
Putting up scarecrows and straw men is how the left operates.
The idea that freedom in economics is somehow “satanic” or evil is the socialist byline...
The use of dead people... is a sort of necromancy...
What does this even mean?
Just what I said... necromancy...
Divination through raising spirits of the dead... straw men... phantasms... hobgoblins... ghosts... scarecrows...
The trouble with man is that most men believe their weenies come from heaven and that this gives them some sanctified excuse to pass the collection plate at gunpoint for their false gods of religion - - or their gods of communism...
And speaking of Weiners from heaven,...
I might have agreed with that as little as 20 years ago.
Not anymore.
Good for you... this is a typical Left wing meme...
"You are selfish, bigoted, homophobic and greedy, so be happy we are going to save you by shoving a gun in your face and taking whatever we can steal...
If you had actually read the book...
Leviathan? I have read it, and I don't recall any recommended restraints on the sovereign. There are none noted in Wikipedia's summary of the book.
If I'm wrong, then you're either referring to another book by Hobbes or else you're pointing to a rather obscure part of it.
It's true that Hobbes had little choice to be a monarchist - but a supporter of absolute monarchy? Does he even mention Magna Carta?
The Leviathan also says, as does the Bible, that the Israelites rejected having God as their King, so God granted them their earthly rulers.
Restraints on a monarch's power is the hand of God and the fact that all men die.
Everything Hobbes discusses in the Leviathan is also referenced in the Bible, and this is why both the Papists and Presbyters wanted to murder him.
It was Moses who first revealed to men that their rights did not come from an earthly monarch.
God is not subject to the rule of men. God is also a monarchist and the Bible says this quite clearly. And, because men rejected the rule of God and are fallen, they die.
You can make all the arguments you want to against Leviathan, but you have yet to illustrate how anything written in Leviathan is not consistent with the Bible.
Please, if you want to criticize Leviathan, how about actually reading the Bible?
Wikipedia is socialist bullshiite...
Ancient Greeks?
Plato’s Euthyphro is a great illustration....
Socrates advances the argument to Euthyphro that, piety to the gods, who all want conflicting devotions and/or actions from humans, is impossible. (Socrates exposed the pagan esoteric sophistry.)
Likewise, morals are such a construction of idols used by the Left as a rationale for them to demand compliance to their wishes in politics, which most often are a skewed mess of fallacies in logic. “Morals” are a deceptive replacement for the “avoidance of sin.”
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