You are twisting my meaning. I did not say that 2+2=5 is not illogical. I said that it (the premise of belief and faith) is not like 2+2=5.
Only example. Nothing that would convince you. Are you now mind-reading?
No, I am drawing conclusions based on your previous statements and arguments.
Well, given that nothing you read in the Bible corresponds to reality as we know it, it does seem illogical.
Well, given that, it would seem illogical. However, I don't believe your initial premise. To me a lot of what you read in the Bible is eminently practical and very closely tied to reality.
You are mind reading again.
No, I am drawing conclusions based on the bile-filled and bitter statements you came out with.
I respect your faith; I don't have to accept it or believe it. One thing is certain: I will not presume to be called to read your mind, "pity" you, or psychoanalyze, as you seem to feel entitled to do with me.
For sure you don't have to accept or believe my faith, or my interpretation of faith. It's completely up to you. I would not dream of trying to foist them upon you. I don't think you respect it one little bit. The remaining statements, I'm sorry to say, are total hypocritical nonsense. You have done nothing but presume on what its in my head since this thread started, and to "psychoanalyse" me. Your very first statement slagged me off for saying everything Mr Camping stood for was wrong, when I did no such thing.
Why?
Don't you get enjoyment from social interaction?
Then why should I make the first move, as you suggested?
God puts out his hand to all of us, but you have to grasp it.
Well, I don't hear anyone knocking. All I see is you telling me to ask God to show himself to me, so I would know, and then telling me God makes the first move!
Well you won't hear if you don't want to hear. Do you want to hear God knocking on the door, or would you want him to break it down? God has made the first move. He sent his son to this earth. Does that not merit a response?
Oh, yes? How so? You are telling me things that don't reflect the real world and then tell me they are logical!?
No, I am drawing conclusions based on your previous statements and arguments
I never said or hinted that nothign will convince me.
To me a lot of what you read in the Bible is eminently practical and very closely tied to reality.
Like what? Talking donkeys?
I don't think you respect it one little bit.
I respect your decision to choose to believe something. It's your world as much as it is mine. I don't have to agree with your reasons, but I respect your right to choose. I don't know what brought you to your faith, and I don't judge. If people tell me something, I listen to them and move on. If they ask what I think, I will tell them. If they want to debate it, I will debate it. That's respect.
Your very first statement slagged me off for saying everything Mr Camping stood for was wrong, when I did no such thing.
Because that's how you worded it.
Don't you get enjoyment from social interaction?
Depends on the company and the purpose.
God puts out his hand to all of us, but you have to grasp it
I don't see any God putting out his hand to anyone, including me.
Well you won't hear if you don't want to hear.
So, now you are saying that God will appear if I WANT him to appear?
Do you want to hear God knocking on the door, or would you want him to break it down?
Why would he do that?
God has made the first move. He sent his son to this earth. Does that not merit a response?
This is a matter of one's belief. I can't debate something you have predetermined in your head, but I know that you have so far not been able to show me that any of it is true or has any basis in reality. Muslims believe that Mohammad is a prophet; they blow themsleves up for their faith. Does that make it true? I don't think so.
All you are basically saying is this: "This is how it is because I believe it is, I have no proof that it is, but I know that it is, so it must be true." That's pontificating, my friend.