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To: marbren
. My local LCMS church has been in a schism for about 4 years based on some very unique circumstances. My local church worships in 2 locations presently.

Is this split over doctrinal issues or issues of polity? Are the two subsets served by the same pastor, or has the first original called another pastor to serve? If so, no schism, two congregations. Can both congregations legitimately claim membership in the LCMS? If so, you don’t have a schism, you have a breakup of a congregation which while tragic, especially if the split causes recriminations, it isn’t unheard of. Schism sounds better, but depending on the answers, isn’t accurate.

In the separation of the heterodox Lutherans (religious Pharisees) from us orthodox Lutherans

What heterodox doctrines are you talking about, you’ve made the claim a few times, but provided no examples for this pretty serious (for conservative Lutherans anyway) charge.

xone has been a champion for the LCMS in our discussion which may be a good thing. I do not know.

If I have been a champion of anything, it would be for the truth of the matter. The LCMS doesn’t need me to champion it, but the vague nature of your church’s ‘problem’ does seem to need someone to seek objective truth.

Maybe the Holy Spirit will tell my FRiends something

Are you using the Holy Spirit as some kind of magic ‘8-ball’ or crystal ball to divine your future discourse on FR? If the Holy Spirit was indeed involved directly in this matter, it would have quickly become apparent long ago. As I mentioned before, there are other spirits out there that like to ‘move’ and ‘influence’ Christians. Have you bothered to test this one? Or do you assume the Holy Spirit is at work? Since you are the only one who knows your intentions, you’ll have to do it. By some of your comments and disregard for the 8th Commandment and its meaning from the Lutheran doctrine, it doesn’t seem as if God is involved in this at all as far as coaxing you to do anything.

Write the story or don’t, fiction or nonfiction, it doesn’t matter, what does matter is its purpose. Will it glorify the Lord or marbren, will it edify the body or get your name out as an author? Will it be objectively true, or be true to you because you lived it and your 'truth' is subjective based on your feelings?

918 posted on 06/05/2011 1:31:06 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone
what does matter is its purpose.

One idea, just an idea, might be around the discussion as to the reason why main line American denominations, such as the LCMS, are dead. My experience could be a case study. People make these main line denominations are dead comments all the time. Now just because some denominations are dead does not mean God is dead. Obviously, some people in those denominations are not spiritually dead. I am talking about weeds and wheat. Maybe the weeds, religious Pharisees, are taking over.

To us born again believers, the wheat, it is all about the real moment to moment experienced relationship with Our Lord Jesus Christ. We abide in the vine. Die to self daily. This sanctified NOW relationship preaching and teaching is lacking in my experience with the LCMS. Not with P#4. RIM Pastor P#2 also was born again.

People are fearful of change.

919 posted on 06/09/2011 11:39:54 AM PDT by marbren
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